Citizen journalism: I’ll take it, flaws and all

by Mathew on November 8, 2009 · View Comments

Paul Carr, who started writing for TechCrunch not long ago, is an entertaining writer, and he often puts his finger on issues that others tend to avoid in their headlong rush towards whatever is shiny and new, which is why I’m glad Mike Arrington hired him. But I think his latest rant against “citizen journalism” is misplaced. In the piece, which is entitled “After Fort Hood, another example of how ‘citizen journalists’ can’t handle the truth,” Carr talks about how a soldier on the base where the shootings occurred last week was posting to Twitter throughout the ordeal.

Tearah Moore, who recently returned from Iraq, posted a number of comments about what was happening, including the fact that stretchers were being brought in, that one person had allegedly been shot in the testicles, and that the shooter had died. Among other things, Carr notes that Moore’s tweet about the shooter being dead was wrong (although she didn’t say that she knew this, she just commented on it). But his main complaint seems to be that her tweets about someone being shot in the testicles, etc. had no redeeming value and were therefore “entertainment or tragi-porn.”

As he puts it, her behaviour had nothing to do with getting the word out but was a case of “look at me looking at this.” He then goes on to say that the tweeting of events during protests in Iran did nothing to actually change events in that country, and that all of this so-called “citizen journalism” is merely selfish and egotistical. And finally, he argues that this applies to the shocking video footage of Neda Agha Soltan’s death in Iran — that the person shooting the video didn’t try to help, but simply engaged in a cruel and unfeeling act of voyeurism.

The question of whether bystanders or observers should intervene in emergency situation is a worthwhile debate to have, but I don’t think Carr’s examples meet the test.

Tearah Moore isn’t a medical person, nor was she a military police officer, so the idea that she should have either been helping victims or tracking down the shooter instead of posting to Twitter is a little absurd. As for Neda Soltan, she was being attended to by a doctor while the person videotaping was there. What more could have been done?

As far as I’m concerned, I’m glad that someone was there to videotape it and let the outside world know about it — just as I’m glad someone was there to record Nguyen Van Lem being shot in the head, or Phai Thi Kim Phuc (who now lives in Toronto) running down the road in Vietnam after having her clothes burned off by a napalm attack. Would Carr rather that no one had videotaped Neda’s senseless death at all? It’s one thing to argue that tweeting from Iran was useless, but Neda’s death very clearly galvanized protests in that country, and international criticism. And while Tearah Moore posting observations to Twitter might not have accomplished much either, it easily could have, had events gone in a different direction.

The fact that Moore made mistakes, meanwhile, is also to be expected – she was probably listening to the same broadcasts we all were, which quoted military officials as saying the shooter had been killed. Is that her fault? Dozens of TV stations, radio stations and newspaper websites reported the exact same thing. The same criticisms were made during the Mumbai attacks, when the wrong hotel was identified as being on fire. “Twitter is completely unreliable!” many people cried — but the mainstream media were just as unreliable, as they often are in such intense situations.

Whether social media turns us all into selfish voyeurs is a valuable question to ask, but I don’t think Carr has provided us with any examples that make that case. As far as I’m concerned, I’m glad people feel a compulsion to “report” things that are happening wherever they might be. That is a fundamentally journalistic impulse, and the more people who have it, the better off we will all be — even if we have to put up with errors and misunderstandings along the way. Suw Charman-Anderson has a good post on the topic as well, and feels Carr is attacking a straw man of his own creation. David Quigg has what I think is a smart take on Carr’s post as well, and so does Alex Howard (@digiphile).

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  • http://twitter.com/jonhusband Jon Husband

    I’m glad people feel a compulsion to “report” things that are happening wherever they might be. That is a fundamentally journalistic impulse, and the more people who have it, the better off we will all be — even if we have to put up with errors and misunderstandings along the way.

    Bingo ! .. especially “the better off we will all be”.

    It would be a different story had the news media functioned differently over the past 20 years, but the strategic path they chose then is now there for all to see .. and increasingly reject or supplement.

  • http://savethemedia.com/ Gina Chen

    I think this is a truly great post.

    I get a little annoyed with the people who point to inaccuracies in tweets in the midst of a crisis. Of course, there are inaccuracies. As you point out, the traditional media reports inaccuracies in crisis, too, because authorities don't know everything yet.

    To me, I'd rather live in an world where I get to know the minute by minute of what's happening in a crisis even if some facts turn out to be wrong or incomplete than to be left in the dark for what feels like hours.

  • jennamcwilliams

    Well done. It's interesting how we tolerate pages and pages of corrections in newspapers (cf. the New York Times at http://www.nytimes.com/ref/pageoneplus/correcti…), but erroneous Tweets make people shout “SEE? I TOLD YOU TWITTER IS UNRELIABLE!” Of course, the accountability structures of traditional journalism–the ones that are supposed to catch the big mistakes before they run and the little mistakes as quickly as possible–don't exist in outlets for citizen journalism. But citizen journalism–tweets, blogposts, and the like–are as fast at reporting and spreading information as they are BECAUSE OF this very fact. Railing against this type of reportage because of its dearth of editors is like railing against radio broadcasts because it uses sound waves.

  • http://twitter.com/hummingbird604/statuses/5541995330 hummingbird604 (Raul Pacheco)

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    RT @mathewi: if U saw Paul Carr’s piece on twttr, citizen journalism & Fort Hood shootings, I blogged my response hre: [link to post]

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    2 responses to @PaulCarr’s article dismissing citizen #journalism: @davidquigg: http://j.mp/C7oAR [HT @BoraZ] & @mathewi: [link to post]

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  • http://twitter.com/mathewi/statuses/5541949319 mathewi (Mathew Ingram)

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    if you saw Paul Carr’s piece on Twitter, citizen journalism and the Fort Hood shootings, I blogged my response here: [link to post]

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    RT @mathewi: if you saw Paul Carr’s piece on Twitter, citizen journalism & the Fort Hood shootings, my response here: [link to post]

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    Beautifully put. RT @mathewi: if you saw Paul Carr’s piece on … the Fort Hood shootings, I blogged my response here: [link to post]

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    here’s a fantastic post on citizen journalism by @mathewi: Citizen journalism: I’ll take it, flaws and all [link to post]

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    Very well said. RT @mathewi: [Response to] Paul Carr’s piece on Twitter, citizen journalism and the Fort Hood shootings: [link to post]

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    I’m glad people feel a compulsion to “report” things that are happening wherever they might be. @mathewi: [link to post]

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    I couldn’t say it better: @mathewi response to @TechCrunch’s piece on Twitter, citizen journalism & Fort Hood : [link to post] #media

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    RT @mathewi: if you saw Paul Carr’s piece on citizen journalism and the Fort Hood shootings, I blogged my response here: [link to post]

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    Tant mieux si les gens ont le réflexe de raconter ce qui se passe autour d’eux, où qu’ils soient. @mathewi: [link to post]

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    RT @mathewi if you saw Paul Carr’s piece on Twitter, citizen journalism & the Fort Hood shootings, I blogged my response [link to post]

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    Reaction to: Citizen journalism & the Fort Hood shootings, [link to post] RT @Hermida: RT @mathewi: c

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    Thoughtful post by @mathewi to Paul Carr’s piece on #FortHood . [link to post] (via @hermida, @ginaMchen, @jeffsonderman )

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    More good responses to Carr: [link to post] by @mathewi and http://tinyurl.com/ykalzpl

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    Good! RT @mathewi: if you saw Paul Carr’s piece on Twitter,citizen journalism&Fort Hood shootings, I blogged my response: [link to post]

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    RT @mathewi if you saw Paul Carr’s piece on Twitter, citizen journalism & Fort Hood shootings, I blogged response here: [link to post]

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    RT @digiphile: Responses to @PaulCarr’s article dismissing citizen journalism: @davidquigg: http://j.mp/C7oAR & @mathewi: [link to post]

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  • http://digiphile.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/when-we-are-the-media-how-does-it-change-us-or-society/ When “we are the media,” how does it change us or society? « digiphile

    [...] Ingram posted a thoughtful response about this notion on his blog, “Citizen Journalism: I’ll take it, flaws and all.” David Quigg has what I think is a smart take on Carr’s post as [...]

  • http://twitter.com/danielpetty/statuses/5545440260 danielpetty (Dan Petty)

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  • http://samj.net/ samj

    With mainstream media working hard to euthanise itself by failing to learn from the dotcom days and erecting paywalls, citizen journalism, even just as a (noisy) information source for the likes of Huffington Post and TechCrunch, is absolutely critical for society. It can be all the eyes and ears we need where it is no longer justifiable to pay to have reporters on the ground. I like Paul's “look at me looking at them” take, and that he's kicked off some much needed discussion, but the suggestion that we should do anything other than encourage and promote citizen journalism (with guidance as to the ethics of journalism) is foreign to me.

  • yeah

    it's okay to take something that is flawed as what it is, but only if you recognize where or what the flaws are.

    i agree with what paul wrote in the essence of that we recognize that people are very visual learners through text or imagery but we are very sensory driven. it's only normal for us to be voyeurs. it doesn't make it alright. there's good and bad aspects of voyerism. but when does it become the norm or when did it become the norm that people go out somewhere, like to a concert and instead of being there and metally capturing the moment or physcially being present, now with another layer of enhancement in viewing event or being a parcipant is available through mini tech gadgets. when did it become the norm to instantly think, “hey i can record this”.

  • http://parislemon.com/2009/11/on-citizen-journalism-the-degradation-of-society-and-bitchmemes.html ParisLemon » On Citizen Journalism, The Degradation Of Society, And Bitchmemes

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  • http://twitter.com/samj/statuses/5547436486 samj (Sam Johnston)

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    Citizen journalism: I’ll take it, flaws and all [link to post] (my comment: http://bit.ly/2bIxAk)

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    I like @mathewi’s take: “Citizen Journalism: I’ll Take It, Flaws and All” — [link to post]

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  • http://twitter.com/howardlindzon howardlindzon

    with you all the way here.

  • bf

    However I do agree that citizen journalism is dangerous in encouraging people viewing incidents around them (especially tragedies) as disconnected observers, gaining recognition through someone's misfortune, and multiply this attitude into national scale. For instance, should we be proud of being there in 9/11?

  • http://twitter.com/yamasas/statuses/5550813667 yamasas (yamasas)

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    Excellent rebutle to techcrunch criticism of citizen journalism. [link to post]

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    Finally. Thank you. @mathewi response to Paul Carr’s TechCrunch piece on #FortHood is right on IMO. [link to post]

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  • http://twitter.com/carolminarcik/statuses/5546386599 carolminarcik (Carol Minarcik)

    Citizen journalism: I’ll take it, flaws and all http://tinyurl.com/ycaypgj

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    Citizen journalism Ill take it flaws and all: With mainstream media working hard to euthanise itself by failing.. [link to post]

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  • http://jardenberg.se/b/jardenberg-kommenterar-2009-11-09/ jardenberg kommenterar – 2009-11-09 — jardenberg unedited

    [...] Citizen journalism: I’ll take it, flaws and all [...]

  • http://twitter.com/davidquigg/statuses/5553253189 davidquigg (David Quigg)

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    “Whether social media turns us all into selfish voyeurs is a valuable question to ask, but …” @mathewi re: @paulcarr [link to post]

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  • http://twitter.com/danielcberman/statuses/5553529518 danielcberman (Daniel Berman)

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    RT @mathewi Citizen journalism: I’ll take it, flaws and all [link to post]

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    RT @DanielCBerman @mathewi Citizen journalism: I’ll take it, flaws and all [link to post]

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    Excellent rebuttals of @paulcarr’s critique of citizen journalism: [link to post] by @mathewi and http://j.mp/KEtl7 (via @BoraZ) #fb

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  • http://voices.allthingsd.com/20091109/citizen-journalism-i%e2%80%99ll-take-it-flaws-and-all/ Citizen Journalism: I’ll Take It, Flaws and All | Mathew Ingram | Voices | AllThingsD

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  • http://www.facebook.com/senderok Senderok Allen

    The debate ends when someone tries to say “it takes a professional” to let people know what's going on in any given situation.

  • http://twitter.com/northernchick/statuses/5560037097 northernchick (kathryn jennex)

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    Citizen Journalism – I’ll Take it Flaws and All [link to post]

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  • http://twitter.com/ScottMacIver/statuses/5560093259 ScottMacIver (Scott R. MacIver)

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    RT @northernchick: Citizen Journalism – I’ll Take it Flaws and All [link to post] | This Northern Chick is one smart cookie!

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    Reading: Citizen journalism: I’ll take it, flaws and all [link to post] via http://www.allthingsd.com

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  • http://twitter.com/jimbotier/statuses/5561321482 jimbotier (Jim Tierney)

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    Great piece on citizen journalism by @mathewi : he’ll take it, flaws and all [link to post]

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  • goofydg1

    It's a valid question and debate. I remember reading an article about the photographer who took the picture of the vulture stalking the child and how some saw it as an outrage because he didn't do more to help the child. The article I read said that he felt haunted by that image and eventually committed suicide.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Carter
    http://swick.co.uk/index.php/2009/06/12-of-the-…

  • http://www.qibug.com/2009/11/last-week-on-techcrunch-the-skype-settlement-hitler-vs-obama-in-the-app-store-scamville-snapnames-and-more%e2%80%a6/ Last week on TechCrunch: The Skype settlement, Hitler vs Obama in the app store, Scamville, SnapNames and more… | Tech stuff center

    [...] r&#97n the g&#97m&#117t fr&#111m the insightf&#117l &#97nd re&#97s&#111ned (b&#111th Mat&#104ew Ingram and Da&#118id Quigg too&#107 me to tas&#107 splendidly)  to the batshit insane (hat tip to the [...]

  • http://twitter.com/mgcoleman/statuses/5558712964 mgcoleman (Mike Coleman)

    Even-handed commentary on citizen journalism & over-reaction to social media us during Ft Hood incident: http://tinyurl.com/ycaypgj

  • http://twitter.com/xarker/statuses/5558870628 xarker (Dan Conover)

    rt @mgcoleman Evenhanded commentary on citizen journalism & over-reaction 2 social media during Ft Hood incident: http://tinyurl.com/ycaypgj

  • John Stodder

    Bravo. This is exactly right. Eyewitnesses are being encouraged to, and now have a tool for, reporting what they see. It's not narcissistic, it's an impulse to share information. If anyone takes Tweets to be the final word, they're asking too much of it. Take it for what it is — an eyewitness' observations. It doesn't substitute for good reporting, it aids it, from both the readers' and writers' perspective.

  • dpark

    When it comes to Citizen Journalism, it simply isn't so black & white. It's fine for someone to use Twitter to tweet what they are seeing but that's not “journalism”. Without right context, it's just a stream of consciousness that lacks credibility and responsibility. The issue is that, as a reader, we are willing to read this as news. It's not. There is still a need for quality journalism, be it from a professional or a citizen.

  • http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/09/last-week-on-techcrunch-the-skype-settlement-hitler-vs-obama-in-the-app-store-scamville-snapnames-and-more/ Last week on TechCrunch: The Skype settlement, Hitler vs Obama in the app store, Scamville, SnapNames and more…

    [...] – and sure enough the disagreement ran the gamut from the insightful and reasoned (both Mathew Ingram and David Quigg took me to task splendidly)  to the batshit insane (hat tip to the commenter who [...]

  • John Stodder

    Bravo. This is exactly right. Eyewitnesses are being encouraged to, and now have a tool for, reporting what they see. It's not narcissistic, it's an impulse to share information. If anyone takes Tweets to be the final word, they're asking too much of it. Take it for what it is — an eyewitness' observations. It doesn't substitute for good reporting, it aids it, from both the readers' and writers' perspective.

  • David Park

    When it comes to Citizen Journalism, it simply isn't so black & white. It's fine for someone to use Twitter to tweet what they are seeing but that's not “journalism”. Without right context, it's just a stream of consciousness that lacks credibility and responsibility. The issue is that, as a reader, we are willing to read this as news. It's not. There is still a need for quality journalism, be it from a professional or a citizen.

  • http://www.teknogelisim.info/breakfast-briefing-myspaces-expensive-empty-digs-and-iphone-worms.html Technology News RSS Feed » Blog Archiv » Breakfast briefing: MySpace’s expensive, empty digs – and iPhone worms

    [...] a responsibility to share accurate information. Still, it’s engendered some interesting and eloquent responses. Worth [...]

  • http://twitter.com/_alps/statuses/5671749132 _alps (Poonam Sharma)

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    Why we still need citizen journalism, an nice article with examples [link to post]

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  • http://twitter.com/RSSirteubal/statuses/7033121151 RSSirteubal (Ignacio)

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    Citizen journalism: I’ll take it, flaws and all: [link to post]

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  • http://twitter.com/KodaiFumoto/statuses/11319306456 KodaiFumoto (Kodai Fumoto)

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    “question of whether bystanders or observers should intervene in emergency situation is a worthwhile debate to have” [link to post]

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  • http://scattergather.razorfish.com/724/2009/11/13/news-that%e2%80%99s-fit-to-tweet/ News That’s Fit to Tweet? – Scatter/Gather: a Razorfish blog about content strategy, pop culture and human behavior

    [...] Some have suggested we shouldn’t expect a high level of accuracy from real-time, citizen journalism. Perhaps. But relying on it is a mistake we’re seeing all too often. A more stringent process for participation certainly would’ve helped in this case. [...]

  • http://twitter.com/KodaiFumoto/statuses/21558712852 KodaiFumoto (Kodai Fumoto)

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    “as I’m concerned, I’m glad people feel a compulsion to “report” things that are happening wherever they might be.” [link to post]

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