Last night sometime, a blogosphere/social-media furore erupted (or maybe squabble is a better word) about who “owns” the comments that are made on blogs or on aggregators such as FriendFeed. At the center of the storm, not surprisingly, was Robert Scoble — who is either the John the Baptist or Typhoid Mary of social media, depending on your viewpoint. The unwitting trigger for the backlash was Rob La Gesse, a consultant who also writes a blog. And what did La Gesse do? He decided that he didn’t like the fact that comments about his blog posts were occurring on FriendFeed, so he deleted his account (see Rob’s comment below for clarification).
In doing so, however, La Gesse also removed all of the comments that had been posted — including some from Scoble (La Gesse says he didn’t know that would happen). The uber-blogger didn’t like that much: “@kr8tr you just deleted all MY comments. That was really nasty dude,” the Scobleizer said on Twitter. A heated discussion ensued both on Twitter, as well as on La Gesse’s blog and on FriendFeed. That in itself makes a statement about the fragmentation of comments that many people (including me) have written about in the past.
The big issue for Scoble, however, seemed to be that he felt he owned his comments — even if they appeared on a third-party service attached to a blog post from someone else. Does that make any sense? I’m not sure. It doesn’t feel right to me. I think if you comment on someone’s blog, or on a newspaper site like ours at the Globe and Mail, or on Slashdot or Craigslist or anywhere else for that matter, your comments effectively become public property. Not that the site owns them, but they are to some extent out of your control (although Disqus lets you edit them until someone else responds to them).
Robert says that he’s not mad any more, but the issue he has raised is an interesting one, I think. Who owns your comments on public sites like FriendFeed? Do you? Or are they public property?
Update:
I sent an email to FriendFeed co-founder Paul Buchheit to see if he had any comment, and he said that this is the first time the subject has really come up. “In general, we want people to have control over their own feeds,” he said. “That said, it is unfortunate to have lost comments in cases such as this, rare as they may be. We’d like to make these comments available — it’s just a matter of finding the right ui.” Buchheit said that the comments haven’t been deleted, they just aren’t visible because they are no longer attached to anything, but that FriendFeed was working on a way to make them visible again.
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I believe that my ideas and thoughts that I put down should stay under my management. I also think I should have the right to comment wherever I want (which is usually wherever the best best discussion is).
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But at the same time, I accept that once my comments have been made,
to some extent they are out of my control.
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They should be able to delete or retain it, and most importantly take it with them. I may be a little late coming into this discussion, but I've been following it for a bit.
We may put out a blog post on our stance regarding this matter.
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things about Disqus -- that it lets you effectively aggregate (if not
actually control) your comments regardless of where they are. Any
chance you're working on something along those lines with FriendFeed?
I wanted to install the FriendFeed comment plugin for my blog, but it
doesn't play nice with Disqus.
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What's the problem with installing the FF plugin w/ Disqus?
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FriendFeed plugin next to the Disqus comments (and by "it" I mean my
blog's theme) but I may have screwed it up somehow. I'm planning to
try again.
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it disappeared when I upgraded the FF comment plugin.
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I do think the blogger should be able to delete unwanted comments, and if wants to delete the post and take the comments with him, that's fine too. I wouldn't expect a blogger to give me my WordPress or Blogger comments back. That's why I like Disqus, because to an extent, it gives me more control over my comments (I know that Disqus firmly states the comments belong to the blogger).
But if my comments are on a third-party site, that's a whole other ball game.
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seemed to me that Robert's initial outrage at the deletion of the
comments, and the way he expressed that, made it clear that to some
extent he felt that he owned them.
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So *I* did NOT delete any comments. I removed my feed(s) from the FF service. What they did about the "orphaned comments" at that point was not a decision I could a) control, or was b) made aware of.
Also - my blog has specifically stated my comment policy (http://lagesse.org/tou/) for a couple of years. Perhaps FF should do the same.
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comments from FriendFeed founder Paul Buchheit, and from the sounds of
it they are looking at different ways of handling comments when
someone deletes their account.
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On the flip side, just because you own it, doesn't mean you have control of it (unless you posted it on a Disqus-enabled blog). This means that, at any time, the owner of the site that you posted on can delete it or move it. You handed it to them.
This is the same as if you write something in any public place. The owner of that place has the write to remove your work. It may seem uncool, but it's a possibility you should expect.
This whole thing seems like a simple misunderstanding, though.
* Scoble just wants his words to be seen since he bothered to type them.
* La Gesse just wants the comments to stay on his blog and chose the best thing he knew to avoid just a problem in the future.
* FriendFeed made no provisions to try and display data that no longer has a user associated with it, which seems to be a very valid design choice given how new it is.
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Here's the really annoying part. Am I supposed to leave a comment here, friendfeed, twitter, all of them.
I like to mak