Meme13: Rogers Cadenhead responds

by Mathew on April 15, 2008 · Comments

Rogers Cadenhead, who long ago in another lifetime worked with Dave “I invented RSS” Winer, popped up this week with a Techmeme filter called Meme13 — a site that pulls feeds from the newest blogs to hit the charts on the Techmeme Leaderboard, in an attempt to cut through the usual Techmeme spotlight hogs (you know who you are) and show people some new content. When I heard about it, I thought it was a great idea — expose people to new, up-and-coming blogs, etc. etc.

Some people, however — including several bloggers I respect, such as Tony Hung of Deep Jive Interests and Frederic of The Last Podcast — immediately posted Twitter messages, followed by blog posts, calling Rogers’ new thing “a scraper blog.” As Tony outlines in his post, he believes that publishing the full feeds is no different than any of the dozens of scrapers out there. Frederic says in his post that he agrees, and that while Shyftr — the most recent subject of a blogstorm over appropriating feeds — tried to create some value, Meme13 just scrapes.

Since I’ve emailed back and forth with Rogers Cadenhead in the past, I asked him for a response. Here’s what he said (posted with his permission):

“I figured that concern would be raised at some point. Sites don’t stay on Meme13 for long — around two weeks at present — and never come back. Although I could cut from full-text to partial, I think this weakens the ability to sample these bloggers.

Another thing I’m not doing is keeping old content around. I don’t think I’ll be archiving old entries. I think the short-term use of the feeds makes Meme13 legal and a bit different than a scraper, but we’ll see how it is received by the community.”

For what it’s worth, I sympathize with Tony and Frederic — but I don’t think Meme13 is anything to get too upset by. If anything, I think it provides a service by making it easier to find new content, which I think many Techmeme critics would agree is a good thing (Marshall has another way at the Read/Write Web blog). And as Mike Masnick has noted at Techdirt on the Shyftr question, sites that repost your RSS feed can actually be beneficial, and at worst are a nuisance that will soon fade if you are providing real value (which Tony does).

Ironically, as Tony has noted, Meme13 has been showing his post about the flaws in Meme13 as the top post for some time now. Says Rogers: “My robot has already turned against me.” In any case, whether you like Meme13 or not, it’s apparently all Steven Hodson’s fault :-).

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  • gee thanks a lot LOL :)
  • BTW how's the tipjoy workin' for ya ?? :)
  • I think I've made 65 cents so far :-)
  • There's another way to make Techmeme a much more effective source of news. Go to Yahoo Pipes and set up a filter for the Techmeme feed to not include any stories containing the following keywords: Techcrunch, Arrington, Calacanis, Scoble, Valleywag, Scobleizer, Crunchgear and Bitchmeme. Sure you'll only have a few articles a day to read, but at least they're worth reading.
  • That's a great idea, Ross :-)
  • Mathew - You are making some fair points here. I was mostly trying to come to grips with where I would draw the line between useful service and scraper, especially in the light of the Shyftr discussion. I am very comfortable with Shyftr, but Meme13 makes me feel a but iffy - maybe it's because of the blog format it comes in. Still trying to quite put my finger on it.
  • Yeah, I can see how full feeds would make the site stickier than partials. One way to offset that would be bold links to the original source, and more importantly to the FEED for the original source.

    Things no scraper ever does...
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