Well done, Dan — failure is educational

by Mathew on January 24, 2006 · Comments

As an admirer of Dan Gillmor and what he has done in the past — and what he tried to do with his “citizen’s media” venture, bayosphere.com — I felt more than a twinge of regret when I read his open letter about the demise of Bayosphere. But I think Adam Green of Darwinianweb.com has the right viewpoint: Dan should be proud of what he tried to do, not ashamed because it didn’t work (neither should Mark Evans).

As Adam notes, failure is almost a prerequisite when it comes to trying new and challenging things. He says he asks almost every executive of a startup to describe a failure from their past, and is suspicious when they don’t admit to one. Adam also congratulates Dan for providing a “sincere and thoughtful analysis” of what happened at Bayosphere, and I would like to echo that thought as well. At this point, everyone is making their best guesses about what is happening with Media 2.0 or whatever you want to call it, and (hopefully) trying to learn what works and what doesn’t.

Dan’s post definitely helps in that regard, but it also raises plenty of questions — as it should. Was Bayosphere too local? Were the restrictions on who could be a “citizen journalist” too strict? Would a model like Newsvine.com, which is both broader in scope and more open, work better? What about one that incorporates both “old” media sources and new media, with a voting system — a la digg.com or reddit.com — built in? What about a system that compensates citizen journalists based on their articles, which Gather.com seems to be trying to build? Kent Newsome thinks Bayosphere is a sign of how hard building an audience in Media 2.0 is.

Anyway, congratulations on a valiant effort, Dan. You have nothing to be ashamed of.

Update:

Tim Porter has a thoughtful discussion of some of the issues raised by Dan’s experience at Bayosphere, one of which is that “community can’t be forced.” (hat tip to Online News Squared for pointing that one out).

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  • Mathew
    I'll be interested to see what comes of it too, Mike. I know Dan is going to be working on a non-profit centre for citizen media, but hopefully he'll be doing other things too. I imagine he's learned a lot.
  • I'm curious to see what he does next - whether he tries something else or goes back to working for someone else.

    He's clearly learned a lot; much of it will be applicable to his next venture(s).

    For me I know I cut my teeth organizing an event. Lost a pile of money the first year, was profitable for the next six (having broken even again in year three). I learned so much in years one and two about how to live and succeed (read learned about entrepreneurial lifestyle) when building something. Dan's learned this now too...again, curious to see if he applies it.
  • Mathew
    I agree, Eric -- and it certainly makes it an interesting time for those of us in the media business. Nothing like a little upheaval and/or creative destruction to keep you on your toes :-)
  • Yes, I must admit that I like and admire the Newsvine model as well, at least at this early stage -- it's really nice mix of "hard news" (with the ability to comment added, something you'll likely never see at a reuters.com) and bloggy elements. What that bloggy element "brings to the table" and adds to the mix will be very interesting and will likely help to determine the long-term success of that venture.

    Your work seems to always hit on the themes I'm thinking a lot about, Matthew! I agree, everyone interested in this area is looking at what works, what doesn't, what *should* work but doesn't, and vice versa! And yes, unless you have the enormous built in traffic of a Google or Yahoo, it's very hard to build a stable traffic base. So I think that's partly why we're seeing aggregators on top of aggregators. It's really a mess in a lot of ways! But it also makes perfect sense given the explosion of media, information, people coming online, and relative newness of it all.
  • Mathew
    I'd have to agree with Kottke. Digg's selection process (and reddit and the others) is a little too scattershot for me, and Slashdot is somewhere in the middle -- although often the comments about other people's comments are as much fun as the post itself. Still, there is some human filtering that goes on, which adds a lot. That's what I like about the Newsvine model too.
  • On editorial quality control a la Digg, see the latest from Kottke:

    http://www.kottke.org/06/01/quality-editorial

    (Hey, cool comment feature!)
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