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		<title>Troll alert: The two Johns &#8212; Elton and Dvorak</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;ve got a double-troll whammy today &#8212; twin trolls, if you will &#8212; from the always dependable John Dvorak at PCMag and from Sir Elton John in The Sun, that most credible of British tabloids. The former launched into one of his patented Dvorak rants, thick with portents of imminent doom but thin on actual [...]]]></description>
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<p>We&#8217;ve got a double-troll whammy today &#8212; twin trolls, if you will &#8212; from the always dependable John Dvorak at PCMag and from Sir Elton John in The Sun, that most credible of British tabloids. The former <a href="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2164136,00.asp">launched into</a> one of his patented Dvorak rants, thick with portents of imminent doom but thin on actual facts and/or details, in this case about the coming bubble (a troll that caught <a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2007/08/the-bubble-20-m.html">Fred Wilson</a> and <a href="http://marshallk.com/john-dvorak-isnt-just-cranky-hes-cranky-and-wrong">Marshall Kirkpatrick</a>, among others).</p>
<p>In typical fashion, the rant begins with a totally unsupported and ridiculously over-the-top statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Every single person working in the media today who experienced the dot-com bubble in 1999 to 2000 believes that we are going through the exact same process and can expect the exact same results â€” a bust.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Brilliant. Notice how it&#8217;s not just a few people, or even a few smart people, but &#8220;every single person working in the media today.&#8221; And they&#8217;re not just expecting something similar &#8212; no, they&#8217;re expecting the &#8220;exact same&#8221; results.</p>
<p>But the best part of this particular rant is the way he bolsters his argument that this is just another bubble like so many others, by pointing to the previous bubbles in CD-ROM software, pad-based computing, IBM-compatible PCs and software for word processing and spreadsheets. WTF? Apparently, any evolutionary process in which some companies cease to exist &#8212; even if they are bought by other companies &#8212; qualifies as a bubble for John.</p>
<p>Sir Elton isn&#8217;t in quite the same league as Dvorak (but then who is, really). Still, he manages to get off a few howlers in <a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007350453,00.html">this Sun piece</a> about how he wants to &#8220;close down the Internet&#8221; because it&#8217;s ruining the music business:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I do think it would be an incredible experiment to shut down the whole internet for five years and see what sort of art is produced over that span&#8230; thereâ€™s too much technology available&#8230; Iâ€™m sure, as far as music goes, it would be much more interesting.â€</p></blockquote>
<p>Classic. Of course, as the article points out, Sir Elton has been raking in the dough from digital downloads of his music (just the right amount of technology there, apparently). His Elton-ness also tries to get us to believe that &#8220;in the early Seventies there were at least ten albums released every week that were fantastic.&#8221; Ten fantastic albums a week in the Seventies? By who &#8212; the Bee Gees? Captain and Tennille? Foreigner? Please.</p>
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		<title>&#8230; and today&#8217;s troll of the day is</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2006/07/28/and-todays-troll-of-the-day-is/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert &#8220;I used to work for Microsoft but now I work for this little podcasting startup&#8221; Scoble, aka The Scobleizer (who apparently got his name at a previous job because he liked to install all kinds of beta software on people&#8217;s machines &#8212; which then became known as &#8220;Scobleizing&#8221; them) hates the Internet.]]></description>
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<p>Robert &#8220;I used to work for Microsoft but now I work for this little podcasting startup&#8221; Scoble, aka The Scobleizer (who apparently got his name at a previous job because he liked to install all kinds of beta software on people&#8217;s machines &#8212; which then became known as &#8220;Scobleizing&#8221; them) <a href="http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/07/28/why-ozzie-doesnt-think-the-web-is-the-be-all-and-end-all/">hates the Internet</a>.</p>
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		<title>Dave Winer calls John Dvorak a liar</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sort of missed this one when it first came along a few days ago, but I happened to come across a video clip of PC Magazine columnist John C. Dvorak from the VloggerCon video-blogger conference, in which the notoriously provocative pundit describes his approach to column-writing. This clip was apparently filmed by Dave Winer, [...]]]></description>
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<p>I sort of missed this one when it first came along a few days ago, but I happened to come across a video clip of PC Magazine columnist John C. Dvorak from the VloggerCon video-blogger conference, in which the <a href="http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2006/02/16/one-question-is-john-dvorak-on-drugs/">notoriously</a> provocative pundit describes his approach to column-writing. This clip was apparently <a href="http://www.scripting.com/2006/06/13.html#videoAtVloggercon">filmed</a> by Dave Winer, himself a fairly notorious Internet pundit, although of a different sort. It then made the rounds of Slashdot and <a href="http://Digg.com" title="http://Digg.com" target="_blank">Digg.com</a> and YouTube and so on.</p>
<p>If you watch <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=gOHzHVF-4Mg">the clip</a>, what you see is John Dvorak laughing and joking about how he deliberately writes things that he knows will piss off Apple fans, and then responds to their shouts of protest by pretending to be flabbergasted that they believe the things they believe, which makes them even madder &#8212; all of which drives his readership and traffic numbers through the roof. Then he jokes about how he often completely changes his opinion 180 degrees, which makes traffic go even higher. </p>
<p>Dave Winer <a href="http://www.scripting.com/2006/06/13.html#videoAtVloggercon">describes this</a> as Dvorak &#8220;explaining how he lies, knowingly and repeatedly, in his articles about Macs, and therefore has no integrity as a supposed award-winning journalist,&#8221; which I find almost mind-bogglingly disingenuous, not to mention inflammatory to the point of bordering on libel. At the time he originally posted it, it sounded to me like Dave knew that Dvorak was joking &#8212; or at least intentionally overstating his approach for effect and laughs. In other words, he was doing exactly what he does in his columns.</p>
<p>The fact that Dvorak does this is hardly news. Wired magazine wrote about it more than <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.02/dvorak.html">a decade</a> ago. Rex Hammock describes Dvorak as a classic <a href="http://www.rexblog.com/2006/06/10#a10463">troll</a>, and says he thought the video was funny (which it is). As I tried to explain in <a href="http://publishing2.com/2006/06/07/the-ideological-polarization-of-20/#comment-4301">a comment</a> on Scott Karp&#8217;s blog at Publishing 2.0, these kinds of techniques are a classic columnist gambit&#8211; want to get lots of traffic and lots of letters? Say something deliberately inflammatory. </p>
<p>Is that a strategy that can backfire? Definitely. But if you just want to get traffic and sell books, it&#8217;s hard to see the downside &#8212; as Ann Coulter and Bill O&#8217;Reilly and others continue to prove. If Dvorak were a reporter, then Winer&#8217;s criticisms would be valid, but columnists are hired for their opinions, not their grasp of the facts.</p>
<p><b>Update:</b></p>
<p>Dave has <a href="http://www.scripting.com/2006/06/13.html#When:7:19:07PM">a new post</a> about Dvorak, in which he mentions people he calls &#8220;troll spammers,&#8221; whom he refuses to link to. Is that a reference to yours truly? Hard to say. I will note that someone calling himself Pork Pie McMasters left a comment here, which you can see below, in which he says &#8220;Hey schmucko &#8212; it&#8217;s not libel if it&#8217;s true.&#8221; The IP address for the comment resolves to a Comcast user in the San Francisco Bay area (which is where Dave lives).  A concerned neighbour, perhaps? One more thing: there&#8217;s <a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.05/winer.html">a Wired article</a> that makes for interesting reading about Dave, from 2001, in which he is described as having &#8220;a signature formula for professional weblog-rolling: Mouth off first, loudly, and often.&#8221;</p>
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