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		<title>Sony&#8217;s Grouper buy &#8212; research?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 02:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could have written a post about Google CEO Eric Schmidt joining the Apple board of directors (GooglePod, here we come) or about Universal Music trying out an ad-supported music service (all crapped up with DRM of course), but instead of climbing the Techmeme mountain I wanted to point to an interesting post from PBS [...]]]></description>
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<p>I could have written a post about Google CEO Eric Schmidt <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060829/sfth094.html">joining</a> the Apple board of directors (GooglePod, here we come) or about Universal Music trying out an <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/b194883e-36b2-11db-89d6-0000779e2340.html">ad-supported</a> music service (all crapped up with DRM of course), but instead of climbing the Techmeme mountain I wanted to point to <a href="http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060824.html">an interesting post</a> from PBS columnist Robert X. Cringely about the recent Sony purchase of online video-sharing site Grouper.</p>
<p>Cringely&#8217;s view of the reasoning behind the deal is a variation on my theory, which is that Sony is basically desperate. They know that the movie game is changing somehow, and that these changes could possibly make things bad for movie studios, but they don&#8217;t really know much apart from that. The New York Times says big stars <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/business/media/28cast.html">don&#8217;t even help</a> sell movies any more. Should they release movies for download? Should they try fake &#8220;viral&#8221; campaigns like Snakes on a Plane? Or should they hire a guy to drop Mentos into a Coke?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060824.html">Cringely&#8217;s take</a> is that the Grouper buy represents Sony&#8217;s attempt at a kind of market research &#8212; a window onto the Internet, to see what gets popular and how, so that they can try to figure out how the heck to rejig their giant Hollywood machine. As the columnist points out, it is becoming increasingly possible for performers such as <a href="http://www.frankcaliendo.com">Frank Caliendo</a> to emerge, become popular and potentially make a decent living without ever having touched the traditional media industry in any normal way. If I were Sony I would be doing a little research too.</p>
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		<title>Is YouTube worth $2-billion now?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Sony Pictures has gone and bought Grouper, the online video site, for $65-million (U.S.). Okay &#8212; hands up, anyone who has heard of and/or used Grouper, apart from reading about it at TechCrunch or Mashable or some other Web 2.0 site. Pretty much what I figured. Although it is a half-decent looking service from [...]]]></description>
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<p>So Sony Pictures has <a href="http://www.grouper.com/about/pressrelease_sony.aspx">gone and bought</a> Grouper, the online video site, for $65-million (U.S.). Okay &#8212; hands up, anyone who has heard of and/or used Grouper, apart from reading about it at TechCrunch or Mashable or some other Web 2.0 site. Pretty much what I figured. Although it is a half-decent looking service from what I can tell, it is one of half a dozen video-sharing solutions out there, and is unremarkable other than the fact that it requires you to download a standalone Windows app (a negative in my view) and it has a peer-to-peer aspect to it (Note: In the comments below, Sean says the download is only required if you want to share videos privately).</p>
<p>According to the math that TechCrunch <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2006/08/22/wow-grouper-sells-for-65-million/">came up with</a> on a per-user basis, using ComScore data, Sony appears to be paying $70 to $120 per unique visitor (and that&#8217;s visitor, not user), compared with other recent deals for iFilm and Atom/Shockwave at about $15 to $20 a unique visitor. The one caveat, of course &#8212; as with anything that involves <a href="http://www.siliconbeat.com/entries/2006/08/10/web_stats_are_broken_so_youd_better_have_brass_knuckles.html">traffic metrics</a> &#8212; is that ComScore&#8217;s half a million uniques is dramatically lower than the company&#8217;s own estimate of 8 million. If you use Grouper&#8217;s figure, the per-unique is about $8.</p>
<p>Doing some quick math, TechCrunch comes up with a figure of $2-billion for YouTube, which will make co-founder Chad Hurley happy, since the highest we&#8217;ve seen so far is $1-billion, a figure that more or less came out of thin air (using ComScore&#8217;s traffic from June and the multiple of $15 to $20 per unique, YouTube would be worth about $300-million). Does that make any sense? Maybe to a desperate movie studio or entertainment conglomerate it would (which Om points out Sony <a href="http://startups.gigaom.com/2006/08/23/sony-hooks-up-with-grouper/">most certainly is</a>), but that remains to be seen.</p>
<p>As for what Sony has in mind for Grouper, the talk is about pay-for-downloads and so on, which in typical Sony fashion will no doubt be low-quality and all crapped up with DRM. Davis Freeberg <a href="http://davisfreeberg.com/2006/08/23/grouper-outsmarts-sony-in-65-million-buyout-negotiation/">congratulates Grouper</a> for pulling one over on Sony, while Duncan Riley <a href="http://duncanriley.com/2006/08/23/sure-its-a-storm-but-theres-lots-of-bubble-activity-out-on-the-sea/">says</a> it&#8217;s just a matter of time before Sony render Grouper &#8220;so unworkable, unusable and undesirable that it will die an inglorious death.&#8221; </p>
<p>Rafat at PaidContent <a href="http://www.paidcontent.org/sony-buys-grouper-for-65-million">says</a> the site has a solid management team, and maybe Sony deserves some credit for realizing when they need help, while Cynthia at IPDemocracy says it&#8217;s about <a href="http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/2006/08/23/index.php#001871">speed to market</a>. Rafat and Cynthia are very kind  :-)</p>
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