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		<title>Robots, crowds or editors? Yes.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The news that Daylife &#8212; the social news-aggregator that Jeff Jarvis is involved with, and craigslist.org founder Craig Newmark has helped financially &#8212; has gotten a second round of funding is an optimistic note for the idea of social news, although I&#8217;m not quite sure Daylife is there yet (or Newsvine, or Gather.com for that [...]]]></description>
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<p>The news that Daylife &#8212; the social news-aggregator that Jeff Jarvis is involved with, and <a href="http://craigslist.org" title="http://craigslist.org" target="_blank">craigslist.org</a> founder Craig Newmark has helped financially &#8212; has gotten a <a href="http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-news-aggregation-site-daylife-gets-83-million-second-round/">second round of funding</a> is an optimistic note for the idea of social news, although I&#8217;m not quite sure Daylife is there yet (or Newsvine, or <a href="http://Gather.com" title="http://Gather.com" target="_blank">Gather.com</a> for that matter). Ashkan Karbasfrooshan says he thinks the <a href="http://www.watchmojo.com/web/blog/?p=1710">perfect media product</a> for the 21st century would be a mix of Techmeme, Digg and <a href="http://Topix.com" title="http://Topix.com" target="_blank">Topix.com</a> (which doesn&#8217;t get as much attention as I think it deserves).</p>
<p>I think he&#8217;s probably right, in the sense that all of those use some combination of &#8220;crowdsourcing&#8221; and editors/moderators, along with some algorithms (or robots). And that&#8217;s why I would argue that when it comes to Stan Schroeder&#8217;s <a href="http://mashable.com/2007/06/22/social-news/">question at Mashable</a> &#8212; Who Will Bring Us News: Robots, Crowds, or Editors? &#8212; the answer should be: All of the above. </p>
<p>Digg takes links that people submit and lets users vote, and also uses algorithms to help determine what gets to the front page; Gabe Rivera uses an algorithm at <a href="http://Techmeme.com" title="http://Techmeme.com" target="_blank">Techmeme.com</a>, but also tweaks it himself constantly, using his dark geek magic  :-) I think it makes sense to use readers as a resource &#8212; either to submit news links, or vote on them, or rank them based on clicks or comments, or some combination of all three &#8212; but it is also important to have editors who make judgments as well, and algorithms to smooth the process. It doesn&#8217;t have to be (and shouldn&#8217;t be) just one or the other.</p>
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		<title>Daylife: The pitfalls of high expectations</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I missed the big rush of posts that hit Techmeme about the launch of Daylife yesterday, but from what I can gather just about everyone &#8212; including Mike Arrington of TechCrunch, a prominent investor in the project &#8212; is underwhelmed by it, if that&#8217;s a word (gratuitous Sloan reference). I wonder if the next shareholders&#8217; [...]]]></description>
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<p>I missed the big rush of posts that hit Techmeme about the launch of Daylife yesterday, but from what I can gather just about everyone &#8212; including <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/01/04/daylife-launches-starts-very-long-uphill-climb/">Mike Arrington</a> of TechCrunch, a prominent investor in the project &#8212; is underwhelmed by it, if that&#8217;s a word (gratuitous <a href="http://www.lyricsdepot.com/sloan/underwhelmed.html">Sloan</a> reference). I wonder if the next shareholders&#8217; meeting is going to be <a href="http://valleywag.com/tech/michael-arrington/daylifes-bickering-investors-221573.php">a little frosty</a>  :-)</p>
<p>Paul Montgomery of Tinfinger says that he thinks Mike&#8217;s response could have something to do with his well-publicized dislike of the New York Times, which is a lead investor in the site, and Paul <a href="http://tinfinger.blogspot.com/2007/01/day-in-life-of-daylife.html">also notes</a> &#8212; as do other blogs that have looked at Daylife &#8212; that mainstream-media content is featured awfully prominently on the site. In which case, why not use Topix or Newsvine or even Google News?</p>
<p>Some of the only kind words have come from Steve Rubel, who says in a response to a comment <a href="http://www.micropersuasion.com/2007/01/daylife_establi.html">on his post</a> that we should <em>&#8220;put on our anti-geek glasses&#8221;</em> and see it from the point of view of someone who doesn&#8217;t read Techmeme or visit dozens of blogs a day. Which is a fair point, but again I have to ask why we wouldn&#8217;t point someone like that to Topix or Newsvine or Google News.</p>
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<p>I think a big part of the problem is that Daylife has been in stealth or development mode for a year or more, and it has some pretty high-profile people involved, including Jeff Jarvis &#8212; who seems to be taking all the criticism <a href="http://www.buzzmachine.com/index.php/2007/01/04/daylife-dawns/">pretty well so far</a> &#8212; as well as Craig Newmark, Dave Winer and the NYT. So I think the expectation was that when it launched it would be significantly different than Newsvine and Topix and so on. And it&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>Does that mean it won&#8217;t ever be any good? Hardly. From what Jeff says, more improvements are planned (including RSS, which does seem like a pretty major hole), so I&#8217;m willing to wait and see how the site develops. I hope it finds a way to add more interaction &#8212; comments, blogs and so on &#8212; in an interesting way. We could use some more experimentation in that department, and Jeff has the chops to be able to deliver it.</p>
<p>More commentary comes from <a href="http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/mtarchive/daylife_miscellanizes_the_news.html">David Weinberger</a> at Hyperorg, <a href="http://publishing2.com/2007/01/04/i-dont-understand-or-have-much-reason-to-trust-daylifes-news-judgment/">Scott Karp</a> of Publishing 2.0, <a href="http://www.rexblog.com/2007/01/04/16441/">Rex Hammock</a>, Liz Gannes at <a href="http://gigaom.com/2007/01/04/daylife/">Gigaom</a> and Tony Hung at <a href="http://www.deepjiveinterests.com/2007/01/04/daylife-disappointing-even-in-its-design/">Deep Jive Interests.</a> And for a totally unvarnished and skeptical take, as usual, watch a video review from the <a href="http://www.1938media.com/daylife-is-stupid/">inimitable Loren Feldman</a> of 1938media.</p>
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