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		<title>Does Robert Scoble &#8220;own&#8221; his comments?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night sometime, a blogosphere/social-media furore erupted (or maybe squabble is a better word) about who &#8220;owns&#8221; the comments that are made on blogs or on aggregators such as FriendFeed. At the center of the storm, not surprisingly, was Robert Scoble &#8212; who is either the John the Baptist or Typhoid Mary of social media, [...]]]></description>
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<p>Last night sometime, a blogosphere/social-media furore erupted (or maybe squabble is a better word) about who &#8220;owns&#8221; the comments that are made on blogs or on aggregators such as FriendFeed. At the center of the storm, not surprisingly, was Robert Scoble &#8212; who is either the John the Baptist or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon">Typhoid Mary</a> of social media, depending on your viewpoint. The unwitting trigger for the backlash was Rob La Gesse, a consultant who <a href="http://lagesse.org/robert-scoble-has-a-social-problem/">also writes a blog</a>. And what did La Gesse do? He decided that he didn&#8217;t like the fact that comments about his blog posts were occurring on FriendFeed, so he deleted his account (see Rob&#8217;s comment below for clarification).</p>
<p>In doing so, however, La Gesse also removed all of the comments that had been posted &#8212; including some from Scoble (La Gesse <a href="http://twitter.com/kr8tr/statuses/820023073">says</a> he didn&#8217;t know that would happen). The uber-blogger didn&#8217;t like that much: &#8220;@kr8tr you just deleted all MY comments. That was really nasty dude,&#8221; the Scobleizer <a href="http://twitter.com/Scobleizer/statuses/820014939">said on Twitter</a>. A heated discussion ensued both on Twitter, as well as on La Gesse&#8217;s blog and <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/e4fa4693-b6c8-4f72-a9d2-f919e708e767">on FriendFeed</a>. That in itself makes a statement about the fragmentation of comments that many people (<a href="http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/17/friendfeed-aggregation-vs-fragmentation/">including me</a>) have written about in the past.</p>
<p>The big issue for Scoble, however, seemed to be that he felt he owned his comments &#8212; even if they appeared on a third-party service attached to a blog post from someone else. Does that make any sense? I&#8217;m not sure. It doesn&#8217;t feel right to me. I think if you comment on someone&#8217;s blog, or on a newspaper site <a href="http://www.globeandmail.com">like ours</a> at the Globe and Mail, or on Slashdot or Craigslist or anywhere else for that matter, your comments effectively become public property. Not that the site owns them, but they are to some extent out of your control (although Disqus <a href="http://blog.disqus.net/2008/04/08/new-commenting-feature-edit-comments-inline/">lets you</a> edit them until someone else responds to them).</p>
<p>Robert says that he&#8217;s <a href="http://twitter.com/Scobleizer/statuses/820038621">not mad</a> any more, but the issue he has raised is an interesting one, I think. Who owns your comments <a href="http://www.profy.com/2008/05/26/redefinition-of-intellectual-property/">on public sites</a> like FriendFeed? Do you? Or are they public property?</p>
<p><b>Update:</b></p>
<p>I sent an email to FriendFeed co-founder Paul Buchheit to see if he had any comment, and he said that this is the first time the subject has really come up. &#8220;<em>In general, we want people to have control over their own feeds</em>,&#8221; he said. &#8220;<em>That said, it is unfortunate to have lost comments in cases such as this, rare as they may be. We&#8217;d like to make these comments available &#8212; it&#8217;s just a matter of finding the right ui</em>.&#8221; Buchheit said that the comments haven&#8217;t been deleted, they just aren&#8217;t visible because they are no longer attached to anything, but that FriendFeed was working on a way to make them visible again.</p>
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		<title>How to handle getting buried on Digg</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2007/01/07/how-to-handle-getting-buried-on-digg/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 01:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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<p>From Karoli at <a href="http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/01/07/link-dump-saturday-fun/">Odd Time Signatures</a> comes the story (via <a href="http://www.thezeroboss.com">The Zero Boss</a>, and prior to that Chris Winfield of the website <a href="http://www.10e20.com/2007/01/06/the-most-buried-comment-ever-on-digg/">10e20</a>) of one Chandler Kent, a 19-year-old college student who wandered into the sights of the Digg bury brigade. In this case, it was Chandler&#8217;s comment that got buried, and may have become the <a href="http://insidesocialnews.blogspot.com/2006/11/most-buried-comments-in-digg-history.html#comment-6902509408961593147">most buried</a> comment ever. But there&#8217;s a twist.</p>
<p>As Chandler describes it in a long and hilarious post <a href="http://www.chandlerkent.com/stories/2007/1/06.php">here</a>, he posted a quick comment on a Digg link, saying he liked the site that was linked to, and (big mistake) attached his blog&#8217;s URL. This set off alarm bells as a &#8220;spam&#8221; comment &#8212; like the ones I get all the time that say &#8220;I am liking your content very much!&#8221; with a link to some porn or poker site &#8212; and so it got buried repeatedly.</p>
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<p>Chandler also got some fairly abusive comments, which is typical of the mentality that one finds at Digg, and why many people have given up on reading the comments at all. His phone number was also posted by some unscrupulous Digger, and people even abused him via instant messenger.</p>
<p>More evidence of what is wrong with Digg, as <a href="http://thezeroboss.com/2006/12/28/rethinking-digg-and-reddit-why-i-hate-people-voting-on-my-content/">Zero Boss notes</a>. But there&#8217;s a happy ending, in a sense: Chandler&#8217;s post about what happened has gotten Dugg <a href="http://digg.com/tech_news/The_Most_Hated_Comment_on_Digg">about 4,000 times</a>, and he has used the criticisms about the crappy design of his website to start a contest to <a href="http://www.chandlerkent.com/stories/2007/1/06b.php">redesign it</a>. Nice work, Chandler.</p>
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