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		<title>Blogs and the attribution dilemma</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wasn&#8217;t going to jump into this one, mostly because it seemed kind of &#8220;inside baseball&#8221; (i.e., not that interesting to lots of people), but as we all know one of the main things the blogosphere likes to do is blog about blogging, so I thought I would take a crack at the Ars Technica [...]]]></description>
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<p>I wasn&#8217;t going to jump into this one, mostly because it seemed kind of &#8220;inside baseball&#8221; (i.e., not that interesting to lots of people), but as we all know one of the main things the blogosphere likes to do is blog about blogging, so I thought I would take a crack at the Ars Technica brouhaha. Exhibit A is MG Siegler&#8217;s post at ParisLemon about <a href="http://www.parislemon.com/2008/05/another-classic-rip-off-job-by-ars.html">what he calls</a> &#8220;another classic rip off&#8221; by Ars Technica. You can read the post if you need to catch up on the details, but basically MG is saying that the site rewrote his post and never gave him credit for the idea.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the first time that Ars has had such allegations leveled at it. As Cynthia Brumfield writes at IPDemocracy, an incident involving a link to <a href="http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/002984ars_technica_has_no_shame_but_thats_nothing_new.php">one of her posts</a> occurred back in 2006 and has even made it into the Wikipedia entry on Ars. In the comments on her latest post, Ars writer Nate Anderson <a href="http://www.ipdemocracy.com/archives/002984ars_technica_has_no_shame_but_thats_nothing_new.php#comments">takes issue</a> with Cynthia&#8217;s characterization of events, however, saying it was a mistake that was corrected quickly and that she should have tried to contact someone at Ars before she flamed them in a post. In a response, Cynthia said that she had heard from many others who had had similar experiences.</p>
<p>In the interest of balance, I emailed <a href="http://arstechnica.com/wankerdesk/bios/caesar.html">Ars founder Ken Fisher to as</a>k him for a comment on the allegations, and he said that in the case of IPDemocracy, it was a simple mistake in which &#8220;the link got removed accidentally in the editing phase,&#8221; that it was fixed as quickly as possible and that there was &#8220;no intent to deceive.&#8221; As for MG Siegler&#8217;s post, he said that Siegler wasn&#8217;t the only blog to make the comparison between the iPhone and the game of Risk (<a href="http://www.theiphoneblog.com/tag/iphone-risk/">this blog also did</a>) and that therefore he didn&#8217;t deserve a link. In any case, he said, Ars didn&#8217;t see Siegler&#8217;s post and wrote its own version at about the same time (the site said it was published later because editors were busy).</p>
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<p>I emailed MG Siegler for a comment as well, and he said effectively the same thing as Fisher: that he didn&#8217;t link to the other blog with a similar post because he never saw it. However, he maintained that Ars must have seen his post and waited a few days before copying it, and said that the site has done similar things in the past. Since <a href="http://www.parislemon.com/2008/05/another-classic-rip-off-job-by-ars.html">his post was published</a>, he said that he gotten what he called &#8220;tons of emails&#8221; from other bloggers and writers who felt their work had been copied, and on his blog he said that &#8220;A LOT of&#8230; well respected and well placed people working in the industry out there have the exact same thoughts.&#8221;</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t the first time this sort of thing has come up, obviously. Louis Gray wrote a post about how Mashable was &#8220;<a href="http://www.louisgray.com/live/2008/01/mashable-uses-list-power-to-steal-b.html">stealing the B-list buzz</a>&#8221; by not providing proper attribution to him (Pete Cashmore and other Mashable writers commented on the post), and later posted a follow-up <a href="http://www.louisgray.com/live/2008/01/mashable-promises-to-upgrade-linking.html">here</a>. In the past, Mashable put a small &#8220;via&#8221; link at the bottom of a post, without any other link or attribution (as Adam Ostrow notes in a comment, that policy has changed since Louis&#8217;s post). I don&#8217;t know what the best approach is, but I know that it&#8217;s becoming more of an issue, and it&#8217;s something that every blogger should be thinking about when they write. I wrote about this before <a href="http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/01/20/im-glad-louis-gray-called-out-mashable/">after Louis posted his thoughts.</a></p>
<p>As I said in that earlier post, I think the bottom line is that you should link as much as possible &#8212; links are the life-blood of the web, and they are how people find new sources of information. In some cases, I will go back and link to other blogs that have written about something I posted on long after I wrote the post. I think that&#8217;s part of what blogs (and the media in general) are supposed to be about. It&#8217;s more than just Digg submissions and Techmeme headlines.</p>
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		<title>What happens to attribution in social media?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 17:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[(cross-posted from my media blog) Muhammad Saleem, who writes a blog I recently came across called The Mu Life, has an interesting interview with Matt Sparkes, who works for New Scientist magazine and is in charge of managing the relationship between the magazine and social media, including blogs and &#8220;social bookmarking&#8221; sites such as Digg.com. [...]]]></description>
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<p><i>(cross-posted from <a href="http://mathewingram.com/media/?p=71">my media blog</a>)</i></p>
<p>Muhammad Saleem, who writes a blog I recently came across called The Mu Life, has <a href="http://themulife.com/?p=233">an interesting interview</a> with Matt Sparkes, who works for New Scientist magazine and is in charge of managing the relationship between the magazine and social media, including blogs and &#8220;social bookmarking&#8221; sites such as <a href="http://Digg.com" title="http://Digg.com" target="_blank">Digg.com</a>. </p>
<p>Matt talks about how the rise of blogs and distributed media of various kinds makes it hard to track things back to their original source. And if you work for a magazine (or newspaper) that is trying to keep its head above water online, that&#8217;s the kind of thing that makes a big difference &#8212; i.e., blogs or bookmarking sites giving you the credit you deserve for a story or post.</p>
<blockquote><p>Content just falls into peoples laps now. Whereas 5 years ago the legwork of finding great content was replicated by every reader, itâ€™s now centralized. Thatâ€™s great for users, but if youâ€™re a content producer you need to start worrying.</p></blockquote>
<p>As Matt points out, a magazine with a large staff and relatively high costs is obviously looking at ways of monetizing its online content, and one of the ways to do that is through page views &#8212; but if someone posts something to Digg or <a href="http://Reddit.com" title="http://Reddit.com" target="_blank">Reddit.com</a> or Netscape and links to a secondary source like another blog, then the original creator of the content usually gets bupkis.</p>
<blockquote><p>The overheads required to produce that content are huge, and we obviously rely on traffic to recoup that cost&#8230; When another blog covers that story and links to that first blog, the percentage of readers to reach us lowers significantly. In the same way, if an aggregator such as Reddit links to a blog post about one of our stories, it is not particularly useful at driving traffic.</p>
<p>Journalists are trained to go back to the original source, bloggers and social media users are not.</p></blockquote>
<p>As Sparkes also makes clear in his interview, social media is simultaneously a threat and a great opportunity. The challenge for traditional media is to find a way of balancing those two things.</p>
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