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		<title>Russell Davies: How to be interesting</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/06/10/russell-davies-how-to-be-interesting/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 02:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#8217;t know Russell Davies, but you would think that he ought to have some good advice about being interesting, seeing as how he organized an entire conference called Interesting2007 &#8212; and from what I&#8217;ve read here and there, it was a smashing success (and a great name that I wish I had thought of). [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know Russell Davies, but you would think that he ought to have some good advice about being interesting, seeing as how <a href="http://www.interesting2007.com/">he organized</a> an entire conference called Interesting2007 &#8212; and from what I&#8217;ve read here and there, it was a smashing success (and a great name that I wish I had thought of). And sure enough, he does have some good advice in a post entitled <a href="http://russelldavies.typepad.com/planning/2006/11/how_to_be_inter.html">How To Be Interesting</a>, and the first point is: <strong>Be interested</strong>. In other words, in order to be interesting to others, you have to be interested in things, curious about things:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;You’ve got to find what’s interesting in everything, you’ve got to be good at noticing things, you’ve got to be good at listening. If you find people (and things) interesting, they’ll find you interesting.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The second point is related to the first: <strong>Be ready to share</strong>. Someone who doesn&#8217;t want to share their passion or knowledge with others is inherently uninteresting &#8212; except perhaps as some kind of icon or idol who is worshipped from afar. In order to be interesting on a genuinely personal level, you have to be willing to share some of your knowledge and interests with others. But as Russell notes, this doesn&#8217;t mean talking about yourself endlessly:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Being good at sharing is not the same as talking and talking and talking. It means you share your ideas, you let people play with them and you’re good at talking about them without having to talk about yourself.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s it, really. Two steps. Lather, rinse and repeat. Russell has some handy tips on how to help stay interested in people and things &#8212; blogging regularly, keeping a journal, getting a hobby, and so on. But it really comes down to variations on those two steps.</p>

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		<title>Does Robert Scoble &#8220;own&#8221; his comments?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 20:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night sometime, a blogosphere/social-media furore erupted (or maybe squabble is a better word) about who &#8220;owns&#8221; the comments that are made on blogs or on aggregators such as FriendFeed. At the center of the storm, not surprisingly, was Robert Scoble &#8212; who is either the John the Baptist or Typhoid Mary of social media, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night sometime, a blogosphere/social-media furore erupted (or maybe squabble is a better word) about who &#8220;owns&#8221; the comments that are made on blogs or on aggregators such as FriendFeed. At the center of the storm, not surprisingly, was Robert Scoble &#8212; who is either the John the Baptist or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon">Typhoid Mary</a> of social media, depending on your viewpoint. The unwitting trigger for the backlash was Rob La Gesse, a consultant who <a href="http://lagesse.org/robert-scoble-has-a-social-problem/">also writes a blog</a>. And what did La Gesse do? He decided that he didn&#8217;t like the fact that comments about his blog posts were occurring on FriendFeed, so he deleted his account (see Rob&#8217;s comment below for clarification).</p>
<p>In doing so, however, La Gesse also removed all of the comments that had been posted &#8212; including some from Scoble (La Gesse <a href="http://twitter.com/kr8tr/statuses/820023073">says</a> he didn&#8217;t know that would happen). The uber-blogger didn&#8217;t like that much: &#8220;@kr8tr you just deleted all MY comments. That was really nasty dude,&#8221; the Scobleizer <a href="http://twitter.com/Scobleizer/statuses/820014939">said on Twitter</a>. A heated discussion ensued both on Twitter, as well as on La Gesse&#8217;s blog and <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/e4fa4693-b6c8-4f72-a9d2-f919e708e767">on FriendFeed</a>. That in itself makes a statement about the fragmentation of comments that many people (<a href="http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/17/friendfeed-aggregation-vs-fragmentation/">including me</a>) have written about in the past.</p>
<p>The big issue for Scoble, however, seemed to be that he felt he owned his comments &#8212; even if they appeared on a third-party service attached to a blog post from someone else. Does that make any sense? I&#8217;m not sure. It doesn&#8217;t feel right to me. I think if you comment on someone&#8217;s blog, or on a newspaper site <a href="http://www.globeandmail.com">like ours</a> at the Globe and Mail, or on Slashdot or Craigslist or anywhere else for that matter, your comments effectively become public property. Not that the site owns them, but they are to some extent out of your control (although Disqus <a href="http://blog.disqus.net/2008/04/08/new-commenting-feature-edit-comments-inline/">lets you</a> edit them until someone else responds to them).</p>
<p>Robert says that he&#8217;s <a href="http://twitter.com/Scobleizer/statuses/820038621">not mad</a> any more, but the issue he has raised is an interesting one, I think. Who owns your comments <a href="http://www.profy.com/2008/05/26/redefinition-of-intellectual-property/">on public sites</a> like FriendFeed? Do you? Or are they public property?</p>
<p><b>Update:</b></p>
<p>I sent an email to FriendFeed co-founder Paul Buchheit to see if he had any comment, and he said that this is the first time the subject has really come up. &#8220;<em>In general, we want people to have control over their own feeds</em>,&#8221; he said. &#8220;<em>That said, it is unfortunate to have lost comments in cases such as this, rare as they may be. We&#8217;d like to make these comments available &#8212; it&#8217;s just a matter of finding the right ui</em>.&#8221; Buchheit said that the comments haven&#8217;t been deleted, they just aren&#8217;t visible because they are no longer attached to anything, but that FriendFeed was working on a way to make them visible again.</p>

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		<title>Data flow and creating electricity</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 20:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the difficult parts about constantly having about 35 tabs open in Firefox is that I can never remember how I got to a particular page; was it from a Google Reader shared item? From a Twitter post? From email? My regular RSS reader? It&#8217;s hard to say. Which explains why I have no [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the difficult parts about constantly having about 35 tabs open in Firefox is that I can never remember how I got to a particular page; was it from a Google Reader shared item? From a Twitter post? From email? My regular RSS reader? It&#8217;s hard to say. Which explains why I have no idea how I came across <a href="http://therestlessmind.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/data-portability-the-potter-parable-21st-century-demand-mechanics-and-zombie-attacks/">this post</a> from Mark Ury, an &#8220;experience architect&#8221; at Blast Radius. I&#8217;m glad I did, however, since Mark does a really nice job of looking at how focusing on data &#8220;ownership&#8221; in social networks kind of misses the point &#8212; the real value is in data flow.</p>
<p>This is a point that Fred Wilson of A VC and others <a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/05/its-not-the-dat.html">have also made</a>, and one Fred says was originally brought home to him by a comment Umair Haque of <a href="http://bubblegeneration.com">Bubblegeneration</a> made. &#8220;I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s the data that&#8217;s so valuable,&#8221; he said. &#8220;It&#8217;s the flow of the data through the service.&#8221; In his post, Mark Ury compares this to an electric-power generation system, which uses dams to take advantage of water flow in order to generate power. The water never stops, it&#8217;s only momentarily delayed &#8212; and while it&#8217;s being delayed, you can make use of it. As he puts it:</p>
<blockquote><p>The real opportunity in flow constraint, though, is putting capacity to use and amplifying the effect. Data is like a river: you can dam it and generate electricity. That’s what Google did with search. They created a machine that, as we pass through it on our way to find something, harnesses our collective energy and turns our data flow into the most powerful asset of this generation.</p></blockquote>
<p>As Mark notes, services that try to restrict the flow of data too much wind up either having issues with control or <a href="http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/?p=1246">ownership debates</a>, and in many cases the data &#8212; just like water &#8212; routes itself around the obstruction and finds a new path (i.e., a new service that isn&#8217;t as restrictive). That&#8217;s a balance that a site like Facebook is continually trying to strike: not strict enough to cause people to take their data flow elsewhere, but just restrictive enough to allow Facebook to make use of the data before letting it move on. Tim O&#8217;Reilly <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2006/12/web-20-compact-definition-tryi.html">has described</a> Web 2.0 as any application or service that tends to get better the more people use it.</p>
<p><b>Update:</b></p>
<p>If you&#8217;re like me and have a hard time remembering how you got to a certain page, Gabe &#8220;Techmeme&#8221; Rivera has posted a comment with a tip: right-click the page and check &#8220;page info&#8221; and you can see the referring page (unfortunately it doesn&#8217;t help me in this case because I&#8217;ve already closed the tab).</p>

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		<title>We live in public &#8212; some of the time</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 14:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred Wilson of A VC made the same connection I did when he read the piece by Emily Gould &#8212; formerly of Gawker &#8212; in this morning&#8217;s New York Times magazine. It reminded me a lot of what Josh Harris did with the Pseudo network in the late 1990s, when he scattered video cameras around [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Wilson of A VC made <a href="http://avc.blogs.com/a_vc/2008/05/can-we-live-in.html">the same connection</a> I did when he read the piece by Emily Gould &#8212; formerly of Gawker &#8212; in this morning&#8217;s New York Times magazine. It reminded me a lot of what Josh Harris did with the Pseudo network in the late 1990s, when he scattered video cameras around his loft apartment to track virtually everything (and I mean everything) that he and his girlfriend were doing, as <a href="http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/news/2001/02/41997">part of an experiment</a> into how much of our lives we can live in public. In many ways, it was the first Web-based reality TV show along the lines of Big Brother.</p>
<p>Emily Gould <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/magazine/25internet-t.html?pagewanted=1&#038;_r=1">conducted a similar experiment</a> &#8212; except she didn&#8217;t see it that way until later. While she was working at Gawker, writing snarky posts about the private lives of celebrities, she was also blogging about her own personal life at a site called Heartbreak Soup, including her ill-fated relationship with fellow Gawker writer Joshua David Stein. He has written his own account of what happened in Page Six magazine, which you can see excerpted in large quantities <a href="http://thisrecording.wordpress.com/2008/02/11/in-which-all-in-all-youre-just-another-bloggeur-in-the-wall/">at This Recording</a>. As I was reading both pieces, it also reminded me of the very public life of Julia Allison, who <a href="http://itsmejulia.com/post/23413106/i-made-the-mistake">blogged about</a> her on-again, off-again relationship with troubled geek millionaire Jakob Lodwick of Vimeo and <a href="http://CollegeHumor.com" title="http://CollegeHumor.com" target="_blank">CollegeHumor.com</a>.</p>
<p>Julia broke up very publicly with Jakob, and Emily did the same with Josh; and in both cases, their public sharing of intimate emotions and situations was undoubtedly a big part of the reason. So why did they do it? It almost seems to be a pathological approach to a relationship &#8212; or at the very least, a kind of stress-testing approach, as though by subjecting that person to the full glare of the public floodlights, they could ensure that their significant other was good enough to hang onto. And then if it didn&#8217;t work out, they would have something to blame. Both also clearly got addicted to the attention of their readers and &#8220;fans.&#8221; Gould quotes Allison as saying that &#8220;<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/magazine/25internet-t.html?pagewanted=4&#038;_r=1">Attention is my drug</a>.&#8221; And she describes her own relationship with her readers this way: </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;They were co-workers, sort of, giving me ideas for posts, rewriting my punch lines. They were creeps hitting on me at a bar. They were fans, sycophantically praising even my lamer efforts. They were enemies, articulating my worst fears about my limitations. They were the voices in my head. They could be ignored sometimes. Or, if I let them, they could become my whole world.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Emily&#8217;s experience seems to be just the latest example of what Gawker calls &#8220;oversharing,&#8221; and also of what can happen when the lines between blogger/writer and quasi-celebrity get blurred. We had a panel at the <a href="http://www.meshconference.com">mesh 2008 conference</a> this week called Private vs. Public, with U of T philosopher Mark Kingwell, sociologist <a href="http://onlinefandom.com">Nancy Baym</a> from the University of Kansas and Ken Anderson from the Ontario privacy commission (moderated by the always wonderful <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/media/the-news/eat-the-press/">Rachel Sklar</a> from Huffington Post, who has <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/23/emily-gould-new-gloss-on_n_103241.html">her own take</a> on the Gould saga), but it didn&#8217;t really touch on the deep-seated desire that seems to exist in people like Emily and Julia to compulsively share every detail of their lives. Is this just the latest version of a new, Internet-enabled disorder?</p>
<p><b>Update:</b></p>
<p>There&#8217;s another piece in the NYT mag that makes for an interesting counterpoint to Emily Gould&#8217;s article: it&#8217;s a column by the co-director of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, in which he describes <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/magazine/25wwln-essay-t.html?ref=magazine">research that shows</a> human beings aren&#8217;t necessarily smarter than chimpanzees on an individual level, but they are smarter in groups &#8212; primarily because they are more social.</p>

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		<title>FriendFeed kill Twitter? Not going to happen</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 14:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Duncan Riley &#8212; formerly of TechCrunch &#8212; has a post up at his new site Inquisitr about how it&#8217;s time for FriendFeed to kill Twitter. I have nothing against Duncan, but every time I see a headline like that on a blog post I almost instinctively discount whatever appears in the post. Why? Because [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Duncan Riley &#8212; formerly of TechCrunch &#8212; has a post up at his new site Inquisitr about how it&#8217;s time for <a href="http://www.inquisitr.com/its-time-for-friendfeed-to-kill-twitter">FriendFeed to kill Twitter</a>. I have nothing against Duncan, but every time I see a headline like that on a blog post I almost instinctively discount whatever appears in the post. Why? Because those kinds of &#8220;X is going to kill X&#8221; headlines are almost always Techmeme bait or Digg bait. It&#8217;s like those headlines in the business section of the newspaper that talk about the stock market &#8220;plummeting&#8221; or companies &#8220;hemorrhaging&#8221; red ink. Hyperbole sells.</p>
<p>The probability of FriendFeed &#8220;killing&#8221; Twitter is roughly zero. And not just because FriendFeed <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/24/friendfeed-still-has-a-lot-of-killing-to-do/">doesn&#8217;t have the scale</a> yet to mount an assault. The two services are also a lot more complimentary than they are competitive, as more than one person commenting on this topic (many of them on FriendFeed) <a href="http://friendfeed.com/e/bca6ff6d-4af7-7a4f-aeba-197ae3743ffe">has mentioned</a>. FriendFeed is an aggregator, and Twitter is not. Could FriendFeed add messaging? Sure it could. But it still wouldn&#8217;t kill Twitter. Lots of people thought that Twitter would help to kill Facebook (or <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/09/facebook_could_1.html">vice versa</a>), and Facebook was supposed to kill MySpace, and MySpace was allegedly going to kill blogs. And <a href="http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/09/22/googles_plans_to_kill_facebook.html">so on</a>.</p>
<p>Obviously, some services thrive and others don&#8217;t &#8212; Friendster being a good example (although even it has come <a href="http://mashable.com/2008/04/06/startups-rose-back-from-dead/">back from the dead</a> to some extent). But that&#8217;s rarely because some other service &#8220;kills&#8221; them. It&#8217;s usually because they fail to keep up with what their customers want, or fail to adapt to some new technology, or run out of money. Twitter&#8217;s biggest problem <a href="http://quotably.com/search/friendfeed%20kill%20twitter/page/2">isn&#8217;t FriendFeed</a>, it&#8217;s keeping the service running properly so that people don&#8217;t get irritated enough by all the downtime and stop using it. And even that is a pretty high hurdle: for all the bitching about Twitter being down, it still seems to be pretty popular. And FriendFeed has its own issues to worry about, <a href="http://www.sarahintampa.com/sarah/2008/05/20/is-friendfeed-doomed.html">some would argue</a>.</p>
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<p>For bonus points (or maybe the booby prize), check out another of Steve Gillmor&#8217;s classic, <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/24/blame-friendfeed/">incomprehensible rants</a> on the topic over at TechCrunch.</p>

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