Things just got tough for Disqus

by Mathew on September 23, 2008

One of the announcements that came out of the TechStars event today was that Automattic, the parent company of WordPress, has acquired the hosted blog-comment service Intense Debate for an undisclosed amount. You can read WordPress founder Matt Mullenweg’s thoughts about it, as well as those of Automattic CEO Toni Schneider and Intense Debate co-founder Jon Fox, and you can also read some comments from Daniel Ha, the founder of Disqus, the hosted blog-comment service that is probably Intense Debate’s single biggest competitor in the comment-o-sphere.

In his blog post and in comments made to Mashable’s Adam Ostrow about the deal, Daniel is very diplomatic about the acquisition, saying it was a good move for Automattic and Intense Debate, and that “I think Disqus (and others in the space) will continue to work harder on offerings for users of WordPress and the many other platforms.” One of the main financial backers behind Disqus — Fred Wilson of Union Square Ventures — took the same line in comments to me via Twitter. “Its great for the 3rd party comment system market,” he said. “It validates the category.”

All that said, however, there’s little doubt that this is going to put some pressure on Disqus. WordPress is undoubtedly going to integrate Intense Debate into its platform in a pretty major way, and will also push it to all of the millions of bloggers who use either WordPress.com or hosted WordPress (as I do). That’s going to have an effect on adoption rates, there’s no question. Fred said in his message that he hopes there is a level playing field: “I hope WP doesn’t play favorites,” he said. “Bloggers need choice.”

For my part, I remain a satisfied user of Disqus.

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  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    I love Disqus (though not so much on my Blackberry — that earlier blank message from me? was because it didn't give me the post box on the BB).

    What I love the most is being able to deal with comments from my email box — reply, approve, delete, all that. I was really distressed when I heard that Intense Debate had been acquired, because I would much rather see the competition continue between ID and Disqus on equal footing. I also don't want lockin to Intense Debate when I'm happy using Disqus.

    Now, they just have to get the comments formatted for lame BB browsers and I'll be totally 100% satisfied.

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  • http://carrieanddanielle.com Daniel Gibbons

    We're just in the process of implementing Disqus for a site that's launching on Thursday. The thing is, Disqus is the best of all of the hosted commenting systems, but it's all about momentum. If WordPress fully integrates it and uses it as the cornerstone for social interaction across all WordPress sites, then it's game over for anyone else.

    And why wouldn't WordPress do this? I don't understand Fred Wilson's comment about hoping WP doesn't play favourites. That's an argument for Disqus's survival rather than the good of the WordPress community and platform.

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    Interesting. Any idea whether WordPress had any talks with Disqus about an aquisition? Seems like Disqus is the more entrenched of the two comment syndication services.

  • http://www.mathewingram.com/work mathewi

    Don't really know whether they talked to Disqus or not, but a number
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    Yeah, I get the sense that Disqus is the larger of the two existing groups, but with VC funding I can understand why they'd be looking for a different payout that Automattic.

    I'm betting the Mullenweg and the WP team aren't shelling out huge dollars for Intense Debate, and Disqus would rather get acquired by a media giant like TimeWarner a few years down the road for 30 million.

    Just getting edged out in WordPress doesn't preclude Disqus from getting integrated with newspapers, Cnet, or any of the other huge media platforms out there. And they have good connections.

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    That's a good point, Jason.

  • http://nbrightside.com/blog Andy C

    Hmm. Obviously, WordPress can incorporate Intense Debate into .com and force it on thousands of blogs in the near future.

    However, for hosted WordPress, lots of bloggers are very precious about ownership of comments and I think including Intense Debate in core wordpress.org would meet with strong resistance (and would be a mistake).

    I can also see objections from WordPress.com users that may force Automattic to make Intense Debate a configurable option.

    Disqus already has a tightly integrated WP plugin and is widely used on many blogs (including WordPress) so I don't think the picture is that bleak for Disqus.

    Competition is good and keep everyone on their toes.

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    Both Mullenweg and WP are great group. They are working hard …and its shows on there results.

    Thank You !

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    disqus is really popular lately and they can built a community and communications with others and follow any site when they need. hope they can give better services in the future…

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    I love discuss and use it on my blog. Competition is good and keeps everyone on their toes.

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    We're just in the process of implementing Disqus for a site that's launching on Thursday. The thing is, Disqus is the best of all of the hosted commenting systems, but it's all about momentum. If WordPress fully integrates IntenseDebate and uses it as the cornerstone for social interaction across all WordPress sites, then it's game over for anyone else.

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    Disqus now brings us the ability to comment using your Twitter account. You don’t have to give up your actual Twitter credentials since Disqus takes advantage of Twitter’s support..

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