Comments on: Online fiction, Facebook and transparency http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/05/01/online-fiction-facebook-and-transparency/ ... at the intersection of media, technology, business and the web Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:20:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Bargainista http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/05/01/online-fiction-facebook-and-transparency/#comment-340153 Bargainista Sat, 03 May 2008 13:48:40 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/?p=2383#comment-340153 Tamera, that's an excellent idea! I still have vivid memories of that debate when Steve Rubel was giving the keynote presentation. Maybe if representatives from the various sides could remain civil, it would make an interesting panel discussion. If not Mesh, then perhaps the next CaseCamp. Tamera, that's an excellent idea! I still have vivid memories of that debate when Steve Rubel was giving the keynote presentation. Maybe if representatives from the various sides could remain civil, it would make an interesting panel discussion. If not Mesh, then perhaps the next CaseCamp.

]]> By: tamera kremer http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/05/01/online-fiction-facebook-and-transparency/#comment-340152 tamera kremer Sat, 03 May 2008 04:13:25 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/?p=2383#comment-340152 Mathew, the more I think about this the more it takes me back to the character blog debate at the first mesh... perhaps time to revisit with the various viewpoints represented from the business, art, and communications sides? :) Mathew, the more I think about this the more it takes me back to the character blog debate at the first mesh… perhaps time to revisit with the various viewpoints represented from the business, art, and communications sides? :)

]]> By: tamera kremer http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/05/01/online-fiction-facebook-and-transparency/#comment-340151 tamera kremer Sat, 03 May 2008 00:16:30 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/?p=2383#comment-340151 Agree and disagree. Art directors who are pushing the envelope for paid client work could make the argument that they are creating commercial art. Same with this art, if the ultimate goal was to build a client base. Nothing wrong with that, but there are rules of engagement online, and within the norms of a community, and one of the key ones is (and has been for a long-time): opt-in & be transparent. that didn't happen here, therefore the experiment failed with some users and with some people who would prefer not to be deceived in their social interactions, especially when it's then clear that this was done to gain a client base for their content creation business. Agree and disagree. Art directors who are pushing the envelope for paid client work could make the argument that they are creating commercial art. Same with this art, if the ultimate goal was to build a client base. Nothing wrong with that, but there are rules of engagement online, and within the norms of a community, and one of the key ones is (and has been for a long-time): opt-in & be transparent. that didn't happen here, therefore the experiment failed with some users and with some people who would prefer not to be deceived in their social interactions, especially when it's then clear that this was done to gain a client base for their content creation business.

]]> By: leigh http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/05/01/online-fiction-facebook-and-transparency/#comment-340150 leigh Fri, 02 May 2008 23:28:21 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/?p=2383#comment-340150 "Art" doesn't mean one shouldn't make money. There are many people who consider themselves artists and and attempt to make a living from it. If they can, frankly, more power to 'em. But I'm not sure that's the make it or break it point. <br><br>I think the point is applying marketing and business practices the same way we do to large brands and corporations when it comes to "transparency" and other blah de blah we love to tout in the new media space to an individual and her experimental art project is unreasonable.<br><br>I thought Brendan Laraby, (want to be paid TV writer one day according to his blog profile), had a very thoughtful post on it - <br><a href="http://aboyandhistvshow.blogspot.com/2008/05/dividing-line.html">http://aboyandhistvshow.blogspot.com/2008/05/di...</a> “Art” doesn't mean one shouldn't make money. There are many people who consider themselves artists and and attempt to make a living from it. If they can, frankly, more power to 'em. But I'm not sure that's the make it or break it point.

I think the point is applying marketing and business practices the same way we do to large brands and corporations when it comes to “transparency” and other blah de blah we love to tout in the new media space to an individual and her experimental art project is unreasonable.

I thought Brendan Laraby, (want to be paid TV writer one day according to his blog profile), had a very thoughtful post on it -
http://aboyandhistvshow.blogspot.com/2008/05/di...

]]> By: tamera kremer http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/05/01/online-fiction-facebook-and-transparency/#comment-340149 tamera kremer Fri, 02 May 2008 19:15:45 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/?p=2383#comment-340149 I can agree with most of the take regarding it being "art", but with a serious caveat, which is why I reacted as strongly as I did about the proactive and deceptive Facebook friending: Story2oh is a commercial enterprise that I would find it hard to believe didn't develop this project with the sole altruistic purpose of entertaining the masses. Most likely, as their appearance at an advertising industry event, was to execute this story in order to get clients. That may be art, it may not, I think it's interesting and provocative, but in most ARG's (which is what this is a version of) I choose willingly to participate, which was not the case with Ali Barrett (who I did research a bit as both Eden and you mention). I can agree with most of the take regarding it being “art”, but with a serious caveat, which is why I reacted as strongly as I did about the proactive and deceptive Facebook friending: Story2oh is a commercial enterprise that I would find it hard to believe didn't develop this project with the sole altruistic purpose of entertaining the masses. Most likely, as their appearance at an advertising industry event, was to execute this story in order to get clients. That may be art, it may not, I think it's interesting and provocative, but in most ARG's (which is what this is a version of) I choose willingly to participate, which was not the case with Ali Barrett (who I did research a bit as both Eden and you mention).

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