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	<title>Comments on: What is &#8220;the news&#8221;? Good question</title>
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		<title>By: mathewi</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/04/17/what-is-the-news-good-question/#comment-341014</link>
		<dc:creator>mathewi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fair enough, Nate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fair enough, Nate.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Westheimer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate Westheimer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, I&#39;m quite sympathetic to the pressures of modern journalism. But there&#39;s a difference between those who try to get it right and those who try to get it first. Those who get it right will win the long-run... I can prove it (and will in an up coming blog post). Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts on the matter -- and again, I&#39;m sympathetic to these pressures, but I don&#39;t find any room for excuses for plain-old bad reporting, such as Riley&#39;s, in that sympathy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, I&#39;m quite sympathetic to the pressures of modern journalism. But there&#39;s a difference between those who try to get it right and those who try to get it first. Those who get it right will win the long-run&#8230; I can prove it (and will in an up coming blog post). Anyway, I appreciate your thoughts on the matter &#8212; and again, I&#39;m sympathetic to these pressures, but I don&#39;t find any room for excuses for plain-old bad reporting, such as Riley&#39;s, in that sympathy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Burden</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/04/17/what-is-the-news-good-question/#comment-341012</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Burden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree. This presents an opportunity for MSM. It is probably more important than ever for a news organization to maintain its credibility and reliability. How else will readers sort through the morass of comment and opinion that forms around a story? At some point in the "process", someone with an authoritative voice has to summarize, distill and contextualize the event.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even so, &lt;a href="http://burden.ca/blog/2008/04/05/critical-website-reviews-part-5-summary"&gt;I give poor marks&lt;/a&gt; to any news site that doesn&#39;t allow readers to comment on stories. Comments help other readers get a sense of what people are thinking about an issue, and spark thought and debate about what has happened. But I also &lt;a href="http://burden.ca/blog/2008/03/27/a-million-sources-one-story-and-msms-are-the-worst"&gt;question the motives&lt;/a&gt; of any outlet that gives priority to speed and "me too" and doesn&#39;t check the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. This presents an opportunity for MSM. It is probably more important than ever for a news organization to maintain its credibility and reliability. How else will readers sort through the morass of comment and opinion that forms around a story? At some point in the &#8220;process&#8221;, someone with an authoritative voice has to summarize, distill and contextualize the event.</p>
<p>Even so, <a href="http://burden.ca/blog/2008/04/05/critical-website-reviews-part-5-summary">I give poor marks</a> to any news site that doesn&#39;t allow readers to comment on stories. Comments help other readers get a sense of what people are thinking about an issue, and spark thought and debate about what has happened. But I also <a href="http://burden.ca/blog/2008/03/27/a-million-sources-one-story-and-msms-are-the-worst">question the motives</a> of any outlet that gives priority to speed and &#8220;me too&#8221; and doesn&#39;t check the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: mathewi</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/04/17/what-is-the-news-good-question/#comment-341011</link>
		<dc:creator>mathewi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#39;m not saying that there&#39;s no value in objectivity (or at the very&lt;br&gt;least, fairness), or that there isn&#39;t still a place for traditional&lt;br&gt;media with "old-fashioned" standards -- if anything, I share your&lt;br&gt;feeling that these things may become more valuable rather than less.&lt;br&gt;But I&#39;m not sure the traditional media are the only ones that are&lt;br&gt;capable of supplying those things -- I guess maybe that&#39;s part of my&lt;br&gt;point.  Obviously accuracy and reliability and trust still matter, and&lt;br&gt;perhaps matter even more now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m not saying that there&#39;s no value in objectivity (or at the very<br />least, fairness), or that there isn&#39;t still a place for traditional<br />media with &#8220;old-fashioned&#8221; standards &#8212; if anything, I share your<br />feeling that these things may become more valuable rather than less.<br />But I&#39;m not sure the traditional media are the only ones that are<br />capable of supplying those things &#8212; I guess maybe that&#39;s part of my<br />point.  Obviously accuracy and reliability and trust still matter, and<br />perhaps matter even more now.</p>
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		<title>By: dschatsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>dschatsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, maybe journalistic objectivity is an illusion. And maybe traditional journalism gets (or got) more credit for accuracy than it was due. Then maybe Internet-age news-as-a-process is a technology-enabled adaptation to that reality. And maybe produces more reliable news stories over time through successive refinement and the embrace of the dynamic of socially constructed truth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But there are limits on how much time people can spend with media--or "participate" in the "news process." The proliferation of digital information sources may well -raise- the value of product-oriented (old media) news vs. process-oriented (new media) news. If old media abondons lowers its product standards in pursuit of the process ethos, any news organization that preserves old fashioned standards may be a lifeline to the average reader, at sea in an ocean of partial information, who wants to know, with reasonable accuracy and reliability, what happened and what it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, maybe journalistic objectivity is an illusion. And maybe traditional journalism gets (or got) more credit for accuracy than it was due. Then maybe Internet-age news-as-a-process is a technology-enabled adaptation to that reality. And maybe produces more reliable news stories over time through successive refinement and the embrace of the dynamic of socially constructed truth.</p>
<p>But there are limits on how much time people can spend with media&#8211;or &#8220;participate&#8221; in the &#8220;news process.&#8221; The proliferation of digital information sources may well -raise- the value of product-oriented (old media) news vs. process-oriented (new media) news. If old media abondons lowers its product standards in pursuit of the process ethos, any news organization that preserves old fashioned standards may be a lifeline to the average reader, at sea in an ocean of partial information, who wants to know, with reasonable accuracy and reliability, what happened and what it means.</p>
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