Comments on: What’s wrong with Dave Winer http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/ ... at the intersection of media, technology, business and the web Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:32:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Jerry Phelps http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/#comment-339493 Jerry Phelps Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:13:48 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/#comment-339493 In all of his bellyaching about how creators want credit, has Winer ever been a person to credit others for *their* accomplishments? I can't recall a single time where he mentioned that Ramanathan Guha and Dan Libby created RSS 0.90 at Netscape. His burning desire to see people rightfully credited extends only to himself. In all of his bellyaching about how creators want credit, has Winer ever been a person to credit others for *their* accomplishments? I can't recall a single time where he mentioned that Ramanathan Guha and Dan Libby created RSS 0.90 at Netscape. His burning desire to see people rightfully credited extends only to himself.

]]> By: Ike Pigott http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/#comment-339492 Ike Pigott Sun, 23 Mar 2008 03:46:21 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/#comment-339492 "The whole point of the model is to find the middle ground, the common ground, the mutually agreed-upon version of events — not for people to pursue vendettas and confront their accusers."<br><br>...and that remains a problem.<br><br>Facts are facts, and "consensus" is too often becoming a model for wishing away a conflict instead of resolving one. Are you going to have the moon-landing hoax people have their say on the Apollo page? Do the Flat-Earthers get equal time on the Plate Tectonics entry?<br><br>I think I see exactly where Winer is coming from. (I don't know him, he doesn't know me. I don't care.) In this case, Wikipedia wants it both ways: they want the authority of a truly-vetted source, and the anonymity of those submitting. The vast majority of people reading Wikipedia never go to the discussion pages.<br><br>Present the facts, and let the truth bear itself out. But "middle-ground" should not be the goal for a purported reference source. We might as well write tomorrow's history books to include such gems as "Saddam was involved in 9/11" and "Bush lied to get oil." Neither is true in any sense of the word, yet at times majorities of Americans believed them. That is where worshiping the Middle Ground leaves us. “The whole point of the model is to find the middle ground, the common ground, the mutually agreed-upon version of events — not for people to pursue vendettas and confront their accusers.”

…and that remains a problem.

Facts are facts, and “consensus” is too often becoming a model for wishing away a conflict instead of resolving one. Are you going to have the moon-landing hoax people have their say on the Apollo page? Do the Flat-Earthers get equal time on the Plate Tectonics entry?

I think I see exactly where Winer is coming from. (I don't know him, he doesn't know me. I don't care.) In this case, Wikipedia wants it both ways: they want the authority of a truly-vetted source, and the anonymity of those submitting. The vast majority of people reading Wikipedia never go to the discussion pages.

Present the facts, and let the truth bear itself out. But “middle-ground” should not be the goal for a purported reference source. We might as well write tomorrow's history books to include such gems as “Saddam was involved in 9/11″ and “Bush lied to get oil.” Neither is true in any sense of the word, yet at times majorities of Americans believed them. That is where worshiping the Middle Ground leaves us.

]]> By: Colon Ostomy http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/#comment-339491 Colon Ostomy Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:34:24 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/#comment-339491 webframp, I expect that's because Dave is a kind and gentle soul who treats others fairly and with respect. webframp, I expect that's because Dave is a kind and gentle soul who treats others fairly and with respect.

]]> By: ianbetteridge http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/#comment-339489 ianbetteridge Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:49:05 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/#comment-339489 Dave, adding a smiley to a rude comment doesn't make it a polite one. "Practice what you preach", indeed. Dave, adding a smiley to a rude comment doesn't make it a polite one. “Practice what you preach”, indeed.

]]> By: sorenj http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/#comment-339484 sorenj Sat, 22 Mar 2008 05:26:25 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2008/03/21/whats-wrong-with-dave-winer/#comment-339484 I listen more than I talk... I listen more than I talk…

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