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	<title>Comments on: Andrew Keen Q &amp; A: still hates the Internet</title>
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		<title>By: Mathew</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2007/06/07/andrew-keen-q-a-still-hates-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-268982</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 01:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Leigh -- thanks for that.  I couldn&#039;t have put it better myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Leigh &#8212; thanks for that.  I couldn&#8217;t have put it better myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2007/06/07/andrew-keen-q-a-still-hates-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-268878</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check this out from Bakardo&#039;s post

http://bokardo.com/archives/its-just-people-talking/

a Douglas Adams (of Hitchhikers Guide fame) quote:

â€œBecause the Internet is so new we still donâ€™t really understand what it is. We mistake it for a type of publishing or broadcasting, because thatâ€™s what weâ€™re used to. So people complain that thereâ€™s a lot of rubbish online, or that itâ€™s dominated by Americans, or that you canâ€™t necessarily trust what you read on the web. Imagine trying to apply any of those criticisms to what you hear on the telephone. Of course you canâ€™t â€˜trustâ€™ what people tell you on the web anymore than you can â€˜trustâ€™ what people tell you on megaphones, postcards or in restaurants. Working out the social politics of who you can trust and why is, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has evolved to do. For some batty reason we turn off this natural scepticism when we see things in any medium which require a lot of work or resources to work in, or in which we canâ€™t easily answer back â€“ like newspapers, television or granite. Hence â€˜carved in stone.â€™ What should concern us is not that we canâ€™t take what we read on the internet on trust â€“ of course you canâ€™t, itâ€™s just people talking â€“ but that we ever got into the dangerous habit of believing what we read in the newspapers or saw on the TV â€“ a mistake that no one who has met an actual journalist would ever make. One of the most important things you learn from the internet is that there is no â€˜themâ€™ out there. Itâ€™s just an awful lot of â€˜usâ€™.â€</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check this out from Bakardo&#8217;s post</p>
<p><a href="http://bokardo.com/archives/its-just-people-talking/" rel="nofollow">http://bokardo.com/archives/its-just-people-talking/</a></p>
<p>a Douglas Adams (of Hitchhikers Guide fame) quote:</p>
<p>â€œBecause the Internet is so new we still donâ€™t really understand what it is. We mistake it for a type of publishing or broadcasting, because thatâ€™s what weâ€™re used to. So people complain that thereâ€™s a lot of rubbish online, or that itâ€™s dominated by Americans, or that you canâ€™t necessarily trust what you read on the web. Imagine trying to apply any of those criticisms to what you hear on the telephone. Of course you canâ€™t â€˜trustâ€™ what people tell you on the web anymore than you can â€˜trustâ€™ what people tell you on megaphones, postcards or in restaurants. Working out the social politics of who you can trust and why is, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has evolved to do. For some batty reason we turn off this natural scepticism when we see things in any medium which require a lot of work or resources to work in, or in which we canâ€™t easily answer back â€“ like newspapers, television or granite. Hence â€˜carved in stone.â€™ What should concern us is not that we canâ€™t take what we read on the internet on trust â€“ of course you canâ€™t, itâ€™s just people talking â€“ but that we ever got into the dangerous habit of believing what we read in the newspapers or saw on the TV â€“ a mistake that no one who has met an actual journalist would ever make. One of the most important things you learn from the internet is that there is no â€˜themâ€™ out there. Itâ€™s just an awful lot of â€˜usâ€™.â€</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>being = beyond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>being = beyond</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 15:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But in such a world, how are the professionals supported?  How are they given the resources they need to do their job, to improve, and to live?

From a purely financial point of view, I really don&#039;t think Adwords is a viable model, but I&#039;m talking being stricly dollars and sense.  What about the infrastructure (human, technological, and other) that large media companies can provide to support the professional journalist and help him/her thrive?  Wither the media organization, and you lose more than just a handful of pros - you lose the very machines that have learned what quality means (or so I think they&#039;ve learned from what I see of your employer Mathew)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But in such a world, how are the professionals supported?  How are they given the resources they need to do their job, to improve, and to live?</p>
<p>From a purely financial point of view, I really don&#8217;t think Adwords is a viable model, but I&#8217;m talking being stricly dollars and sense.  What about the infrastructure (human, technological, and other) that large media companies can provide to support the professional journalist and help him/her thrive?  Wither the media organization, and you lose more than just a handful of pros &#8211; you lose the very machines that have learned what quality means (or so I think they&#8217;ve learned from what I see of your employer Mathew)</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 03:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth, your comment was unfortunately pretty typical -- straw men everywhere, it seems.

And Mat, I am a big fan of high-quality writing and high-quality thought -- but I&#039;m at least willing to admit that it can be found in other places than just newspapers and magazines. 

And unlike Andrew, I don&#039;t see it as being a binary question -- either we have trained journalists or a sea of hobbyist bloggers. I think one can complement the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth, your comment was unfortunately pretty typical &#8212; straw men everywhere, it seems.</p>
<p>And Mat, I am a big fan of high-quality writing and high-quality thought &#8212; but I&#8217;m at least willing to admit that it can be found in other places than just newspapers and magazines. </p>
<p>And unlike Andrew, I don&#8217;t see it as being a binary question &#8212; either we have trained journalists or a sea of hobbyist bloggers. I think one can complement the other.</p>
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