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	<title>Comments on: Community is the hard part</title>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2007/05/15/community-is-the-hard-part/comment-page-1/#comment-259696</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2007 01:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good points in the comments,

Seth, like Digg, I see both Guy&#039;s and Seth Godin&#039;s recent projects  starting off with a built in audience.

However, there are other communities such as Piczo (and yes facebook) that&#039;s growing by  building a community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good points in the comments,</p>
<p>Seth, like Digg, I see both Guy&#8217;s and Seth Godin&#8217;s recent projects  starting off with a built in audience.</p>
<p>However, there are other communities such as Piczo (and yes facebook) that&#8217;s growing by  building a community.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2007/05/15/community-is-the-hard-part/comment-page-1/#comment-259445</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 09:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, right ... an under-told aspect of the Digg story is that Kevin Rose was a minor tech celebrity, and so brought his *audience* - not &quot;community&quot;, *audience* - to the site.

It can&#039;t be easy by definition -  if the audience is one place, it can&#039;t be in another place (to a good approximation). Add in network effect (people being where others are), and the outcome is a very few big winner-take-all results. But hey, maybe the venture capitalists get pleasure from the act of spending money itself, maybe they&#039;re doing it for the joy and happiness of being in business (to be clear, this is riffing off what Z-listers get told when they point out how the blog game is rigged).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, right &#8230; an under-told aspect of the Digg story is that Kevin Rose was a minor tech celebrity, and so brought his *audience* &#8211; not &#8220;community&#8221;, *audience* &#8211; to the site.</p>
<p>It can&#8217;t be easy by definition &#8211;  if the audience is one place, it can&#8217;t be in another place (to a good approximation). Add in network effect (people being where others are), and the outcome is a very few big winner-take-all results. But hey, maybe the venture capitalists get pleasure from the act of spending money itself, maybe they&#8217;re doing it for the joy and happiness of being in business (to be clear, this is riffing off what Z-listers get told when they point out how the blog game is rigged).</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2007/05/15/community-is-the-hard-part/comment-page-1/#comment-259398</link>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 06:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm, and add a big DUH to my comment above.  It always pays to read all links before finishing comment.  I get where you were correlating community to the JPG issues now. I&#039;ve posted my response on Flickr and my own blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummm, and add a big DUH to my comment above.  It always pays to read all links before finishing comment.  I get where you were correlating community to the JPG issues now. I&#8217;ve posted my response on Flickr and my own blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2007/05/15/community-is-the-hard-part/comment-page-1/#comment-259394</link>
		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 06:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am shocked about JPG  mag.  I&#039;ve submitted for the last three issues (none accepted, but still fun), and the motivation for doing so was knowing that Heather was involved.  This news is most unwelcome.

I don&#039;t see community as being at the heart of the JPG coup, but certainly the Digg debacle and Newsvine&#039;s lackluster participation level has community at the heart of it.

I&#039;ve participated in both of these communities. Digg&#039;s community is so far out of control that I doubt it can be reined in at this point.  Community is usually a mirror of its leadership and Digg is no exception.  Kevin Rose has made a point out of capitalizing on his &quot;power to the people and pirates&quot; hacker image, and the Digg community mirrors that.

Newsvine, on the other hand, had more of a problem with how the site itself worked than the community as a whole. When Newsvine first launched, it seemed to want submissions of MSM stories and was aiming at aggregating them.  Submissions of user-generated content never seemed to climb beyond that user&#039;s page, and the site itself was very difficult to navigate.

Since part of my &quot;real life&quot; job involves online communities, I tend to try everything and see what sticks.  In Digg&#039;s case, the fundamental concept is great, but the community is large and unruly.  In Newsvine&#039;s case, there is some great potential for community-building but they need people to do it. 

 Communities don&#039;t grow themselves -- they need people committed to them to grow.  This is what Heather Champ does so well at Flickr, and what she was trying to foster at JPG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am shocked about JPG  mag.  I&#8217;ve submitted for the last three issues (none accepted, but still fun), and the motivation for doing so was knowing that Heather was involved.  This news is most unwelcome.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see community as being at the heart of the JPG coup, but certainly the Digg debacle and Newsvine&#8217;s lackluster participation level has community at the heart of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve participated in both of these communities. Digg&#8217;s community is so far out of control that I doubt it can be reined in at this point.  Community is usually a mirror of its leadership and Digg is no exception.  Kevin Rose has made a point out of capitalizing on his &#8220;power to the people and pirates&#8221; hacker image, and the Digg community mirrors that.</p>
<p>Newsvine, on the other hand, had more of a problem with how the site itself worked than the community as a whole. When Newsvine first launched, it seemed to want submissions of MSM stories and was aiming at aggregating them.  Submissions of user-generated content never seemed to climb beyond that user&#8217;s page, and the site itself was very difficult to navigate.</p>
<p>Since part of my &#8220;real life&#8221; job involves online communities, I tend to try everything and see what sticks.  In Digg&#8217;s case, the fundamental concept is great, but the community is large and unruly.  In Newsvine&#8217;s case, there is some great potential for community-building but they need people to do it. </p>
<p> Communities don&#8217;t grow themselves &#8212; they need people committed to them to grow.  This is what Heather Champ does so well at Flickr, and what she was trying to foster at JPG.</p>
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		<title>By: engtech</title>
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		<dc:creator>engtech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 04:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m excited about avanoo.com

I got in the beta today, and I like what they&#039;re doing over there. Something different than other social sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m excited about <a href="http://avanoo.com" title="http://avanoo.com" target="_blank">avanoo.com</a></p>
<p>I got in the beta today, and I like what they&#8217;re doing over there. Something different than other social sites.</p>
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