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	<title>Comments on: Jimmy Wales is wrong about Essjay</title>
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		<title>By: Jakes</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2007/03/01/jimmy-wales-is-wrong-about-essjay/comment-page-1/#comment-374777</link>
		<dc:creator>Jakes</dc:creator>
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		<description>essjay and wales are everything that is wrong with wikipedia. I just use a real encyclopedia for info.</description>
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		<title>By: Jakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jakes</dc:creator>
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		<description>essjay and wales are everything that is wrong with wikipedia. I just use a real encyclopedia for info.</description>
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		<title>By: Zelda Goodman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zelda Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 22:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Essjay&#039;s Response Soon After The Controversy Broke Out!

I would like to clear up an oversight on my part. I was, until this morning, under the impression that in my initial post on this subject (in response to a question from Dev920 made some weeks ago) I had made an apology for anyone who felt they were hurt by my decision to use misinformation. In speaking to various different people, including Jimbo, I did make it known that I was sorry that anyone felt hurt by my actions, and I believed I had done so in my initial statement. On re-reading that, I find I did not; it was a rather lengthy statement I had been thinking about for some time, and I seem to have left out a rather critical element of it. So, I rectify that now, with further apologies that it was not included originally, as I pointed people back to that statement in the belief it was complete. 
 
I *am* sorry if anyone in the Wikipedia community has been hurt by my decision to use disinformation to protect myself. I&#039;m not sorry that I protected myself; I believed, and continue to believe, that I was right to protect myself, in light of the problems encountered on the internet in these trying times. I have spoken to all of my close friends here about this, and have heard resoundingly that they understand my position, and they support me. Jimbo and many others in Wikipedia&#039;s hierarchy have made thier support known as well. I&#039;m also sorry the New Yorker chose to print what they did about me; there seems to be a belief that I knew they were going to print it, and that is not the case. I spoke with Stacy Shiff for over eight hours; in that time, she asked me about a variety of subjects related to Wikipedia and I have her much to write on. (Those who know me will know I am rarely ever brief in my comments.) That she chose to focus on two rather trivial reverts to [[Justin Timberlake]] and what my userpage said came as a complete surprise to me; it was, quite honestly, my impression that it was well known that I was not who I claimed to be, and that in the absence of any confirmation, no respectible publication would print it. I did not have an advance copy of the article, and indeed, didn&#039;t even get the complimentary print copy that others were given when it was published; I asked Stacy to send it to the Foundation for thier use instead. Further, she made several offers to compensate me for my time, and my response was that if she truly felt the need to do so, she should donate to the Foundation instead. 

For two years, I have poured my life into making this site a better place. That many people feel hurt by my decision pains me greatly, and to them I am genuinely sorry. To the stalkers, the trolls, and the vandals, I am not sorry; they are abusive, hateful people, and they have done far worse things than those whole of the Wikipeida Community, myself included, have ever thought about doing. Now, I am going back to what I have always done: Making Wikipedia a better place. (In the immediate present, I&#039;m going to bed, as I&#039;ve been up for quite a long time.) Tonight, I will be back to my normal routine: Blocking vandals, closing RFAs, tending to the mailing lists, etc. I have no intention of going anywhere, because to do so would be to let the vandals, trolls, and stalkers win.  

I have no doubt that others will continue to debate this matter; I have no intention to say anything further, as I have made my statement complete. If anyone needs me, look where the work of keeping the encyclopedia running is being done, and you&#039;ll probably find me there. [[User:Essjay&#124;&#039;&#039;&#039;Essjay&#039;&#039;&#039;]] [[User talk:Essjay&#124;(Talk)]] 16:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC) 

Here is the website address below to verify the text:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEssjay&amp;diff=111847534&amp;oldid=111838285</description>
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<p>I would like to clear up an oversight on my part. I was, until this morning, under the impression that in my initial post on this subject (in response to a question from Dev920 made some weeks ago) I had made an apology for anyone who felt they were hurt by my decision to use misinformation. In speaking to various different people, including Jimbo, I did make it known that I was sorry that anyone felt hurt by my actions, and I believed I had done so in my initial statement. On re-reading that, I find I did not; it was a rather lengthy statement I had been thinking about for some time, and I seem to have left out a rather critical element of it. So, I rectify that now, with further apologies that it was not included originally, as I pointed people back to that statement in the belief it was complete. </p>
<p>I *am* sorry if anyone in the Wikipedia community has been hurt by my decision to use disinformation to protect myself. I&#8217;m not sorry that I protected myself; I believed, and continue to believe, that I was right to protect myself, in light of the problems encountered on the internet in these trying times. I have spoken to all of my close friends here about this, and have heard resoundingly that they understand my position, and they support me. Jimbo and many others in Wikipedia&#8217;s hierarchy have made thier support known as well. I&#8217;m also sorry the New Yorker chose to print what they did about me; there seems to be a belief that I knew they were going to print it, and that is not the case. I spoke with Stacy Shiff for over eight hours; in that time, she asked me about a variety of subjects related to Wikipedia and I have her much to write on. (Those who know me will know I am rarely ever brief in my comments.) That she chose to focus on two rather trivial reverts to [[Justin Timberlake]] and what my userpage said came as a complete surprise to me; it was, quite honestly, my impression that it was well known that I was not who I claimed to be, and that in the absence of any confirmation, no respectible publication would print it. I did not have an advance copy of the article, and indeed, didn&#8217;t even get the complimentary print copy that others were given when it was published; I asked Stacy to send it to the Foundation for thier use instead. Further, she made several offers to compensate me for my time, and my response was that if she truly felt the need to do so, she should donate to the Foundation instead. </p>
<p>For two years, I have poured my life into making this site a better place. That many people feel hurt by my decision pains me greatly, and to them I am genuinely sorry. To the stalkers, the trolls, and the vandals, I am not sorry; they are abusive, hateful people, and they have done far worse things than those whole of the Wikipeida Community, myself included, have ever thought about doing. Now, I am going back to what I have always done: Making Wikipedia a better place. (In the immediate present, I&#8217;m going to bed, as I&#8217;ve been up for quite a long time.) Tonight, I will be back to my normal routine: Blocking vandals, closing RFAs, tending to the mailing lists, etc. I have no intention of going anywhere, because to do so would be to let the vandals, trolls, and stalkers win.  </p>
<p>I have no doubt that others will continue to debate this matter; I have no intention to say anything further, as I have made my statement complete. If anyone needs me, look where the work of keeping the encyclopedia running is being done, and you&#8217;ll probably find me there. [[User:Essjay|'''Essjay''']] [[User talk:Essjay|(Talk)]] 16:06, 1 March 2007 (UTC) </p>
<p>Here is the website address below to verify the text:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEssjay&#038;diff=111847534&#038;oldid=111838285" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEssjay&#038;diff=111847534&#038;oldid=111838285</a></p>
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		<title>By: C.M. Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2007/03/01/jimmy-wales-is-wrong-about-essjay/comment-page-1/#comment-233601</link>
		<dc:creator>C.M. Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 11:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimboâ€™s (predictable) real concern in his recent response on his talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&amp;diff=112270687&amp;oldid=112270647

is that Essjay â€œused his false credentials in content disputesâ€, pointing to his concern to further â€œcheck diffsâ€ of Essjay.  

Also see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Community_noticeboard&amp;diff=112278999&amp;oldid=112274795

Jimbo claims he did not understand this matter to be one â€œof violation of peopleâ€™s trustâ€ and that his â€œpast support of EssJay in this matter was fully based on a lack of knowledge about what has been going onâ€.

Oh câ€™mon.

And this seems to point to something indicate otherwise: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&amp;diff=112282076&amp;oldid=112281864

And when Jimbo claims he did not understand this matter to be one â€œof violation of peopleâ€™s trustâ€, which â€œpeopleâ€ is he talking about? Only Wikipedians who may have been bluffed by a pull of false credentials? Apparently so, which only confirms the insularity of the system.

Does Jimbo feel Essjay violated the trust of The New Yorker reporters to whom Essjay lied? On this he is silent and it speaks loudly. How about to The New Yorkerâ€™s many, many readers? Again, on this he is silent and it speaks loudly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimboâ€™s (predictable) real concern in his recent response on his talk page <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&#038;diff=112270687&#038;oldid=112270647" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&#038;diff=112270687&#038;oldid=112270647</a></p>
<p>is that Essjay â€œused his false credentials in content disputesâ€, pointing to his concern to further â€œcheck diffsâ€ of Essjay.  </p>
<p>Also see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Community_noticeboard&#038;diff=112278999&#038;oldid=112274795" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Community_noticeboard&#038;diff=112278999&#038;oldid=112274795</a></p>
<p>Jimbo claims he did not understand this matter to be one â€œof violation of peopleâ€™s trustâ€ and that his â€œpast support of EssJay in this matter was fully based on a lack of knowledge about what has been going onâ€.</p>
<p>Oh câ€™mon.</p>
<p>And this seems to point to something indicate otherwise: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&#038;diff=112282076&#038;oldid=112281864" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&#038;diff=112282076&#038;oldid=112281864</a></p>
<p>And when Jimbo claims he did not understand this matter to be one â€œof violation of peopleâ€™s trustâ€, which â€œpeopleâ€ is he talking about? Only Wikipedians who may have been bluffed by a pull of false credentials? Apparently so, which only confirms the insularity of the system.</p>
<p>Does Jimbo feel Essjay violated the trust of The New Yorker reporters to whom Essjay lied? On this he is silent and it speaks loudly. How about to The New Yorkerâ€™s many, many readers? Again, on this he is silent and it speaks loudly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian King</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2007/03/01/jimmy-wales-is-wrong-about-essjay/comment-page-1/#comment-233514</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 02:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s as remarkable as Wales&#039;s glib dismissal of Ryan Jordan&#039;s flim-flam has been the community&#039;s reaction. They&#039;ve been concoting every sort of excuse under the sun, from trying to avoid stalkers (for which one doesn&#039;t need to create a fake life), claiming that his theology claims aren&#039;t relevant  (as exhibited by David above), that he doesn&#039;t represent the project, or just plain &quot;Jimbo trusts him. There is no evidence that he isn&#039;t a competent arbcom member. &quot; Instead, they&#039;re pinning the blame on the New Yorker -- anything to ensure that The &#039;Pedia and Its Processes remian unblemished in their minds. The Wikipedians who do see a problem are (at least on the talk pages) a minority.

David,

Wales is by far the most influential/trusted person in Wikipedia, and as far as I&#039;ve been able to tell, what Jimbo says, goes. That he&#039;s not the board chair is a distinction without a difference. For all practical purposes, he&#039;s the Benevolent Dictator For Life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s as remarkable as Wales&#8217;s glib dismissal of Ryan Jordan&#8217;s flim-flam has been the community&#8217;s reaction. They&#8217;ve been concoting every sort of excuse under the sun, from trying to avoid stalkers (for which one doesn&#8217;t need to create a fake life), claiming that his theology claims aren&#8217;t relevant  (as exhibited by David above), that he doesn&#8217;t represent the project, or just plain &#8220;Jimbo trusts him. There is no evidence that he isn&#8217;t a competent arbcom member. &#8221; Instead, they&#8217;re pinning the blame on the New Yorker &#8212; anything to ensure that The &#8216;Pedia and Its Processes remian unblemished in their minds. The Wikipedians who do see a problem are (at least on the talk pages) a minority.</p>
<p>David,</p>
<p>Wales is by far the most influential/trusted person in Wikipedia, and as far as I&#8217;ve been able to tell, what Jimbo says, goes. That he&#8217;s not the board chair is a distinction without a difference. For all practical purposes, he&#8217;s the Benevolent Dictator For Life.</p>
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