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	<title>Comments on: Warning &#8212; Second Life geek alert</title>
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		<title>By: Stuart MacDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough.</description>
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		<title>By: Taran Rampersad (aka Nobody Fugazi)</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2006/11/16/warning-second-life-geek-alert/#comment-87250</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Rampersad (aka Nobody Fugazi)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart - the freak factor *can* be high, depending on where you go. I don't know you too well, but I suspect you trailed through the Events to find things. That works sometimes, if you find a good discussion or something along those lines. 

I actually hang out at the Reuters sim now and then, interesting people pass through there - people interested in the news or things along those lines. Other places really depend on the type of people you meet. A game of Tringo can be fun now and then - think competitive Tetris. 

I'm actually thinking about setting up a KnowProSE.com office in SL. Why? Well, I plan to be moving around as soon as I get some real life issues tied up, and it could be a good place to have have some of my concepts on display. 

Info Isle is another good place to check out. I wrote a little piece yesterday on the Science Museum. 

Think of it this way: there is no right or wrong side of the tracks in SL because there are no tracks.

As for the businesses - Reuters has had a very positive effect, I think. IBM sort of exists in a vacuum, as does Sun it seems. Dell's new presence is something I wrote up today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart - the freak factor *can* be high, depending on where you go. I don&#8217;t know you too well, but I suspect you trailed through the Events to find things. That works sometimes, if you find a good discussion or something along those lines. </p>
<p>I actually hang out at the Reuters sim now and then, interesting people pass through there - people interested in the news or things along those lines. Other places really depend on the type of people you meet. A game of Tringo can be fun now and then - think competitive Tetris. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually thinking about setting up a <a href="http://KnowProSE.com" title="http://KnowProSE.com" target="_blank">KnowProSE.com</a> office in SL. Why? Well, I plan to be moving around as soon as I get some real life issues tied up, and it could be a good place to have have some of my concepts on display. </p>
<p>Info Isle is another good place to check out. I wrote a little piece yesterday on the Science Museum. </p>
<p>Think of it this way: there is no right or wrong side of the tracks in SL because there are no tracks.</p>
<p>As for the businesses - Reuters has had a very positive effect, I think. IBM sort of exists in a vacuum, as does Sun it seems. Dell&#8217;s new presence is something I wrote up today.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're right that there is definitely a bandwagon-jumping aspect to it, Stuart -- and the PR angle of IBM and Sun and Reuters and American Apparel getting involved is also undoubtedly true.  And yes, it is a small (and weird) population.  But I still think it is interesting to watch what happens there, whether economically or sociologically.  Not because it's hugely important, but because it's like a Petri dish or a tide-pool -- full of interesting things that often say something about human nature as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right that there is definitely a bandwagon-jumping aspect to it, Stuart &#8212; and the PR angle of IBM and Sun and Reuters and American Apparel getting involved is also undoubtedly true.  And yes, it is a small (and weird) population.  But I still think it is interesting to watch what happens there, whether economically or sociologically.  Not because it&#8217;s hugely important, but because it&#8217;s like a Petri dish or a tide-pool &#8212; full of interesting things that often say something about human nature as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart MacDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuart MacDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 03:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathew, I don't think I've ever called it Get A Life. I do think that the attention it is getting in the mainstream media is more reflective of a fear of missing a story and responding to PR stuntery than the thing itself. It is *not* a huge community - something in the area of 300k users I heard last week - and it does seem to be populated to a great extent by, um, beings that don't seem to be reflective of folks I know in Real Life. It does seem to be Freak Factor High.

Now, it is true that it is effectively a real economy which is cool, and it is also likely true that adherents would accuse me of not "getting it". And in fairness, maybe I don't. But, I still think that it is overblown/overhyped in it's supposed value.

- Stuart</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathew, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever called it Get A Life. I do think that the attention it is getting in the mainstream media is more reflective of a fear of missing a story and responding to PR stuntery than the thing itself. It is *not* a huge community - something in the area of 300k users I heard last week - and it does seem to be populated to a great extent by, um, beings that don&#8217;t seem to be reflective of folks I know in Real Life. It does seem to be Freak Factor High.</p>
<p>Now, it is true that it is effectively a real economy which is cool, and it is also likely true that adherents would accuse me of not &#8220;getting it&#8221;. And in fairness, maybe I don&#8217;t. But, I still think that it is overblown/overhyped in it&#8217;s supposed value.</p>
<p>- Stuart</p>
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		<title>By: Taran Rampersad (aka Nobody Fugazi)</title>
		<link>http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2006/11/16/warning-second-life-geek-alert/#comment-87202</link>
		<dc:creator>Taran Rampersad (aka Nobody Fugazi)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 02:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, well, if you liked that link - here's something that is happening NOW - read the comments:

http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2006/11/fleeced.html

The same person who I warned earlier today about labeling me ended up writing something about the Electric Sheep Company which could be grounds for Libel. 

You see... real world people can be held accountable. I'd been involved in WSIS and so forth, and realized that the bureaucrats are too slow. I joined SecondLife to see what it could be used for along the lines of culture and education - things which I have been involved in - and quickly went native. In the last 3 months, I have immersed myself in the world. 

I wrote somewhere that the failures of WSIS and the IGF as well as governmental policies and intergovernmental policies are readily apparent in the intrinsics of the virtual world. SecondLife is such a rich place to spot these things. 

But it is impossible to watch and observe without affecting, so I try to have a positive effect. Much of the hype around the marketing and even the copybot is unfounded. Linden Lab gets blamed for a lot of that, but I think it's a natural part of a new micronation forming. The problem might be that the travel brochures are getting printed faster than the attractions. 

And in it's own way... SecondLife is a developing nation. Hmm. Now THERE is a blog entry.

Oh - and Grazr simply rocks. There is a leap of OPML that a beginner would have to get past - it's not apparent in the documentation unless you dig. As a seasoned techie,  within 10  minutes I had 2 feeds working. Not bad. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, well, if you liked that link - here&#8217;s something that is happening NOW - read the comments:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2006/11/fleeced.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2006/11/fleeced.html</a></p>
<p>The same person who I warned earlier today about labeling me ended up writing something about the Electric Sheep Company which could be grounds for Libel. </p>
<p>You see&#8230; real world people can be held accountable. I&#8217;d been involved in WSIS and so forth, and realized that the bureaucrats are too slow. I joined SecondLife to see what it could be used for along the lines of culture and education - things which I have been involved in - and quickly went native. In the last 3 months, I have immersed myself in the world. </p>
<p>I wrote somewhere that the failures of WSIS and the IGF as well as governmental policies and intergovernmental policies are readily apparent in the intrinsics of the virtual world. SecondLife is such a rich place to spot these things. </p>
<p>But it is impossible to watch and observe without affecting, so I try to have a positive effect. Much of the hype around the marketing and even the copybot is unfounded. Linden Lab gets blamed for a lot of that, but I think it&#8217;s a natural part of a new micronation forming. The problem might be that the travel brochures are getting printed faster than the attractions. </p>
<p>And in it&#8217;s own way&#8230; SecondLife is a developing nation. Hmm. Now THERE is a blog entry.</p>
<p>Oh - and Grazr simply rocks. There is a leap of OPML that a beginner would have to get past - it&#8217;s not apparent in the documentation unless you dig. As a seasoned techie,  within 10  minutes I had 2 feeds working. Not bad. :-)</p>
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