Comments on: Hey Dave — you have to let go of RSS http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/ ... at the intersection of media, technology, business and the web Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:44:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Tim Bray http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/comment-page-1/#comment-525 Tim Bray Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:52:42 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/index.php/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/#comment-525 RFC4287 is an IETF "proposed standard" - which is a first-class IETF standard (see http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#6.4). It's done, cooked, ready to serve. RFC4287 is an IETF “proposed standard” – which is a first-class IETF standard (see http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#6.4). It’s done, cooked, ready to serve.

]]> By: /pd http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/comment-page-1/#comment-491 /pd Tue, 21 Feb 2006 04:03:13 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/index.php/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/#comment-491 further comments :)- http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4287.txt I should have added the wg timelines too.. Apr 2006 Request Last Call for Atom editing protocol May 2006 Submit Atom editing protocol to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard further comments :)- http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4287.txt

I should have added the wg timelines too..

Apr 2006 Request Last Call for Atom editing protocol
May 2006 Submit Atom editing protocol to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard

]]> By: /pd http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/comment-page-1/#comment-490 /pd Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:59:56 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/index.php/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/#comment-490 not sure if atom is a ietf standard. Its still draft status waiting iesg review. not sure if atom is a ietf standard. Its still draft status waiting iesg review.

]]> By: Ben Houston http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/comment-page-1/#comment-485 Ben Houston Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:49:39 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/index.php/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/#comment-485 If you look into RSS history you'll see that it is filled with political machinations with Dave Winer at the center. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS_(file_format)" rel="nofollow">political nature of RSS</a> motivated the creation of Atom, which addresses most issues with RSS via the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IETF" rel="nofollow">Internet Engineering Task Force</a>, an effor that was lead by Canadian <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Bray" rel="nofollow">Tim Bray</a> (who back in the 1990s led the development of XML.) Dave Winer though has fought a battle against <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_(Standard)" rel="nofollow">Atom</a> for reasons similar to why he is now fighting the RSS Advisory Board. The need to keep himself central has also motivated Dave to attack those that try to spread the use of the format-neutral "web feed" terminology for RSS and Atom feeds. Dave's attacks on Google started when Google adopted Atom <a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1032-5157662.html" rel="nofollow">[1]</a> and his attacks on Microsoft were motivated in part by that companies use of the term web feed <a href="http://archive.scripting.com/2005/08/13#meanInternationalSoftwareMonopoly" rel="nofollow">[2]</a>. If you look into RSS history you’ll see that it is filled with political machinations with Dave Winer at the center. The political nature of RSS motivated the creation of Atom, which addresses most issues with RSS via the Internet Engineering Task Force, an effor that was lead by Canadian Tim Bray (who back in the 1990s led the development of XML.) Dave Winer though has fought a battle against Atom for reasons similar to why he is now fighting the RSS Advisory Board. The need to keep himself central has also motivated Dave to attack those that try to spread the use of the format-neutral “web feed” terminology for RSS and Atom feeds. Dave’s attacks on Google started when Google adopted Atom [1] and his attacks on Microsoft were motivated in part by that companies use of the term web feed [2].

]]> By: Rick Thomas http://www.mathewingram.com/work/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/comment-page-1/#comment-484 Rick Thomas Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:49:11 +0000 http://www.mathewingram.com/work/index.php/2006/02/18/hey-dave-you-have-to-let-go-of-rss/#comment-484 Please take a look at Atom. Atom exists because Winer blocked early attempts at an open RSS standard. Now Atom is an IETF standard; RSS is merely de facto. Atom is more precise than RSS for current uses (it solves the funny characters problem). Atom is extensible in an orderly way; RSS is "simple" but limited. As syndication applications grow the good design and new features of Atom will prove it to be a more powerful solution. Please take a look at Atom. Atom exists because Winer blocked early attempts at an open RSS standard. Now Atom is an IETF standard; RSS is merely de facto. Atom is more precise than RSS for current uses (it solves the funny characters problem). Atom is extensible in an orderly way; RSS is “simple” but limited. As syndication applications grow the good design and new features of Atom will prove it to be a more powerful solution.

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